Paul,

I believe you are concerned that we may have all signed NDA agreements
with respect to the specification development work.  In fact, the
agreement we signed has a clause that explicitly states that the work
done under the agreement is _not_ confidential.  However, we have also
agreed as working principal not to publish spec drafts without agreement
from all of the members (we can approve as many interim drafts as we
like).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Fremantle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Project IP, was: Recursive core architectural overview

Thanks Jeremy

I fully understand the ICLA and CCLA process. After all as an Apache
Committer I've signed one and I also was involved in pushing Steve
Gerdt at IBM to develop a corporate policy for CLAs when I was at IBM.

As regards the feedback license, I wasn't questioning the ability for
Apache IP to move to the spec group, though that may be an issue its
not one that I'm concerned with.

Let me be 100% clear. I am concerned about the committal of IP *into*
Apache from the Spec Group when the spec group has not officially
released this IP. I think the documents from Mike will help clarify
this, so I'll wait and see what Mike sends through.

Thanks again

Paul


On 6/8/06, Jeremy Boynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Fremantle wrote:
> >
> >> and track the specs
> >
> >
> > That is the concern, if we are tracking unpublished specs. If you
are
> > under an NDA with the spec group, then you may not have had the
right
> > to contribute the code that you contributed to the sandbox. As
no-one
> > has yet answered my questions about the the IP arrangements of the
> > spec group this is pure supposition. Maybe someone will get round to
> > answering those questions. Or maybe the NDA is under NDA and no-one
is
> > allowed to post that information here :-)
> >
>
> The key thing here is that all contributors have signed a CLA that
says
> that they do have the right to contribute the IP. In these times most
> software developers need to deal with Confidential material in some
form
> whether it is part of their employment, a contract they are involved
in,
> or other discussions. As it can't track all these arrangements, the
ASF
> relies on its contributors to honour the contract that they signed.
>
> The feedback agreement is linked off the spec homepages but here's a
> direct link:
> http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/wsspec/agreement/sca
>
> As an indicator of how the process works you can see that the only
> information that is Confidential is that which is explicitly marked as
> "confidential" - which isn't much and certainly isn't stuff that we
> discuss in the project.
>
> As Jim said, you can also get the full participant agreement from
Mike.
> I've pinged him as well and asked him to respond.
>
> --
> Jeremy
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