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bert.robben commented on TUSCANY-1918:
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Hi Frank,

unfortunately becoming an Oasis member is a bit too expensive.

How can I best observe then what's going on? I had a brief look at the oasis 
pages but couldn't find much details on SDO v3 except from the link you gave.

Also, is there some forum for discussions and comments? Or do you use Tuscany 
(mailinglist/jira) for this?

Bert

> Support for dynamic containment
> -------------------------------
>
>                 Key: TUSCANY-1918
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-1918
>             Project: Tuscany
>          Issue Type: New Feature
>          Components: Java SDO Implementation
>    Affects Versions: Java-SDO-Next
>            Reporter: bert.robben
>
> In SDO, the boundaries of a datagraph are defined by the containment 
> relation. Only objects which can be reached from the root object by following 
> properties that are contained are part of the datagraph. Containment is 
> defined at the type level.
> In cases where applications need to dynamically select what information they 
> want, this fixed containment relationship is an issue. For instance, suppose 
> in a medical context you have defined a number of types defines to represent 
> patients together with their clinical (e.g. procedures they have taken) and 
> administrative data (for instance their address). The type definition needs 
> to decide on the containment of the clinical and administrative data. However 
> it is hard to decide whether or not the administrative and clinical data 
> should be contained because some applications might only need clinical or 
> administrative data and others might need both. In cases where the type 
> system is large or where there are large volumes of data involved (for 
> instance in the example, procedures could have an associated pdf-report 
> property) this becomes a real issue.
> Current solutions within the SDO framework could be (for the interested, 
> there has been a mail thread about this a while ago in the user mailing list)
> - Each app shoud define its own type with an appropriate containment 
> relation. The downside of this is a proliferation of types.
> - The main types should not have any containment relations. Containment is 
> specified using a synthetic type. Think of this as a special list type that 
> contains its elements. The root of the datagraph then would be an instance of 
> such a list type. All instances that are needed should be put in this flat 
> list.
> I would like to propose an alternative solution. In this solution, 
> containment would not be specified at the type level. Whenever the boundary 
> of a datagraph is needed (for instance when an xml document it be generated 
> or a datagraph is to be exchanged between for instance a client and a 
> server), the application should provide appropriate information that 
> specifies exactly what is part of the graph and what not. This can be seen as 
> a select clause for sql, or even better as a set of fetch joins in Hibernate. 
> This would give the application control over exactly what it wants. In the 
> example for instance, the application can easily decide at each point whether 
> or not it would want the address information together with the patient data.
> This proposal would have a number of interesting implications.
> - What is the implication of this for cases where datagraphs are represented 
> as xml documents that should be according to an xml schema?
> - How to deal with links to objects that don't belong to the datagraph? One 
> strategy could be just to drop them. Another one to provide some kind of 
> proxy.
> Interested parties can have a look at our SDO implementation (see also JIRA 
> 1527 and 1493) where we try to support this.

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