On Feb 6, 2008 10:27 AM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 6, 2008 10:23 AM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 1:41 PM, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'd like to get some discussion going on what we want to do for > > > graduating to an Apache TLP. > > > > > > The attempt back in November raised issues about diversity and since > > > then it feels like we've just been waiting around hoping diversity would > > > improve. We were unlikely then and we are almost there, would it help to > > > have a target to aim for so we can be a bit more proactive? How about > > > trying > > > again at the April or May board meeting which would give us a two or three > > > full months from now? Having a few months would give us some time to work > > > on > > > turning some of the contributors we already have into committers and to > > > get > > > other committers added to the PPMC, but a few months is also near enough > > > to > > > keep us focused. If we're seen to be working on this it may also encourage > > > some of the contributors we have to be more active and so easier to make > > > committers. > > > > > > There's a lot i think the project could do to encourage others to > > > participate, here's a few things I can think of - > > > > > > We have a lot of downloads and real users, we need to try to get more > > > of these people engaged and contributing, things that may help are: > > > > > > - better documentation, whats there is a bit sparse and our website > > > has started to fall behind and there's quite a few extensions with no or > > > out > > > dated documentation > > > - more publicity about what each new Tuscany release can do, we have > > > lots of new stuff in 1.1 but the only place we say that is in the > > > release notes. The Tuscany blog is a little neglected these days > > > - post to user list as each bit of new function is completed to try to > > > engage users and to show them their comments can make a real difference to > > > what gets in the next release > > > - more timely action on JIRAs, we're getting quite a back log, if > > > we're quick to look at JIRAs it might encourage users to help debug and > > > provide patches > > > > > > Once a user does start contributing I think there are things we could > > > do better on the the dev list to make it easier and to encourage > > > participation: > > > > > > - just generally improve the ML traffic which is at an all time low, > > > if we the active developers don't discuss much then new contributors > > > likely > > > wont either > > > - one reason ML traffic could be down is that discussion is going on > > > off-list instead, is there? Is it really necessary? Lets make a real > > > effort > > > to keep all discussion on the dev list. > > > - more timely replies in discussions. if someone replies to a thread > > > often it ends up with people waiting for a follow-up reply, if that > > > follow-up takes ages to come the discussion can stall and people loose > > > interest and move on to something else. > > > - we may need to provide more active help to contributors when they > > > make suggestions, not just ask if they'd implement it but at least provide > > > lots of detail about how they could do it or even step up and help code > > > even > > > if we may not think its the most useful thing > > > > > > What do others think, would any of those things help? Any other > > > suggestions that could help improve our diversity? Does aiming for the > > > April > > > board meet sound ok or too soon or too far? > > > > > > ...ant > > > > > > > > I've gone through everything suggested so far in this thread and added > > all the points to a wiki page - > > http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TUSCANYWIKI/Graduation+Next+Steps. > > I've probably missed some and there are some duplicate points, feel free to > > edit the page. > > > > So what to do with this? Some of the points are a bit vague, some we may > > not all agree with, some are easy for one person to action if we agree, > > others need more of a group effort. > > > > Documentation > > > > > > How about trying to prioritize this by people posting their top three, > > see if there's much overlap with whats posted and trying to resolve those > > first? > > > > Oops, hit enter and gmail sent this while still composing my thoughts > sorry :( >
My top three are 7, 25, 26. Most of the points look like they're in a few general categories: - documentation - publicity - JIRAs - mailing list communication - help (users to become contributers and committers) Maybe it help to start separate threads about each of those, i'll go start one about JIRAs ...ant
