But doesn't it pose a big limitation for DAS RDB ? I mean associations
are not necessarily containment relations. I want to able to assign an
existing employee to and existing department or a more intuitive example
would be relationship between "customer service agent" and "customer".
How am I ever going to achieve that with DAS RDB?

Thanks
-Umesh Tyagi

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RDB DAS - How to create non containment association ?

On 4/23/07, Umesh Tyagi (utyagi) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So whenever I want to associate employees to a department I either 
> create a new employee or move employee from some other department ?


That's right.

I am talking about the case when a "employee" object is currently
> without any associated department. When we want to assign it to a 
> department the following query will not include the employee I am 
> interested in - "select * from DEPARTMENT left outer join EMPLOYEE on 
> DEPARTMENT.ID = EMPLOYEE.DEPARTMENTID "
> A right join on the other hand will leave out all the 'departmemt'
> objects without any employee.
>
Thanks
> -Umesh Tyagi
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 12:43 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: RDB DAS - How to create non containment association ?
>
> If you want departments and their related employees then you would 
> typically use a left join rather than a full join.  At least, this is 
> the scenario I see used most often.  Our test case:
>
> RelationshipTests.testRelationshipModification2()
>
> demonstrates this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Kevin
>
>
>
> To read a set of departments and related employees you would typically

> use a left outer join rather than a full join since you want
>
> On 4/21/07, Umesh Tyagi (utyagi) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > How to create non containment association between two existing 
> > objects
> ?
> > For example, lets assume the following relationship is a non 
> > containment association i.e. both objects can exist independently of

> > each other -
> >
> > ------------                  ----------
> > |DEPARTMENT| 1______________* |EMPLOYEE|
> > ------------                  ----------
> >
> > Playing with samples code I have noticed that in order to create 
> > association between two object they need to be part of the same data

> > graph generated by a single query. So for the following line to work

> > -
> >
> > department.getList("employees").add(employee)
> >
> > both 'department' and 'employee' dataobjects must be under same root

> > DataObject instance. To achieve this I tried to do a full outer join

> > between DEPARTMENT and EMPLOYEE but it is not supported by derby or 
> > hsql. The equivalent union result is not typed to DEPARTMENT and 
> > EMPLOYEE by DAS. The other option is to set the foreign key value 
> > explicitly in the 'employee' object, but it is not desirable. Any 
> > other ideas ?
> >
> > -Umesh Tyagi
> >
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