Thanks Alan,
On 12/05/2010 06:56 م, Alan Gauld wrote:
"M. Bashir Al-Noimi" <mbno...@gmx.com> wrote
This is my first post and I want to set a plan for learning python
syntax within 2 weeks.
Learning python syntax in 2 weeks is easily achievable if you go
through the official tutorial at python.org. It is designed for people
coming from another language, especially C++ or Java. If you work
through it at a sensible pace - ie slow enough to think about it - you
should be done
in 2 or 3 days.
Oh my god, I finished the basics of python within one day (continues 10
hours)!!!
What's amazing language :-*
From there you will know enough to start working through the Django
tutorial material and write short simple Python function and programs.
1. From where I can start python by examples for C++ developers (I
don't want documentation tutorials cuz I need simple tutorials
compares between C++ & python syntax just at start point)?
As others have said, trying to convert your knowledge of C++ into
Python is likely to result in you writing Python that looks like C++.
It is also likely to introduce bad habits based on C++ limitations.
You need to learn the Python way of doing things (and its limitations!)
Actually I found some principles like extended C++ libraries, for
example I'm using Qt classes for creating objects just like dictionary
in python, where python provides them by default wow =-O .
2. What's most IDE like Qt Creator (smart code completing is very
important to me)?
Most Python IDEs do at least basic tooltips and such but if you are
familiar with Eclipse then you can install PyDev and get all the usual
Eclipse tools, including a good debugger. The one thing that is less
useful in Eclipse is its interpreter prompt, but you can just use a
tool like IDLE or Pythonwin or IPython in a terminal for that.
PyDev is amazing specially I'm familiar with eclipse (I was using it
before releasing Qt Creator) but as I can see it's suitable for web
applications (specially with Aptana) more than desktop application
because web application don't need visual editor but in case if I want
to develope dektop applications (of course in the future) what's most
suitable IDE for that?
Until now I tested the following:
1. PyDev <http://www.pydev.org/index.html> (95/100): amazing and gave
a good impression for first look but it's not supporting visual
editor for desktop applications.
2. eric <http://eric-ide.python-projects.org/index.html>(80/100): the
most active IDE for desktop applications in python but it has many
negatives like autocompleting is so stupid managing the projects
syncing changes between UI files and the code bad interface.
3. boa-constructor
<http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/boa-constructor/> (70/100):
generally it has only two negatives it uses wxPython and it's not
active since 2007 although I prefer it more than eric but I really
hate wx
4. SPE
<https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=145384>(50/100):
most likely to eric by it has arranged interface, uses wxPython
and it's not active since 2006 (dead project)
I found many IDEs for desktop application but most of them very simple
or/and dead (PythonCard... etc)
Do u've more details?
3. One of most different -I guess- between PHP & ASP.net is separated
html code, does python separates html code or not?
Python supports all the different styles of web development but
Django, like most modern web tools separates code from presentation.
4. Do I need any pre knowledge about CGI principles before stating
developing web application with python?
Since it is all built on CGI it is always a good idea to understand
what is really going on. But raw CGI skill is not essential to get
started in Django.
Could you guide me to quick guide for learning CGI?
5. Does django provide rapid framework for web applications just like
Qt? or you suggest better framework (I don't want to create web
applications from scratch)?
Django is a framework for rapid Web development but it is very
different to, for example Glade. It is not an IDE or visual editor.
6. What's most suitable packaging tool (deploying desktop
applications) for Windows OS?
If its a web server based app then installing Python and Django on the
server and loading your packages on is a better bet that trying to
create an exe file os similar.
7. Does the period of 2 week enough for learning python syntax &
basics of web developing?
Yes, but it will be a steep curve.
Ask lots of questions, and read lots of documentation.
Ask the questions in the place most likely to answer them correctly!
(ie python stuff here, Django stuff on a Django list)
8. Does any one tested an experience just like me (learning a new
language within short period could be crazy ;-) )?
I've been programming for about 30 years and have learned well over
20-30 languages. C++ was the hardest to learn and took about a month
to get comfortable, most take a week.
Becoming an expert, now that's a different thing altogether - it took
me about 4 years to reach that in C++ and about 1 year to lose it
again! I'm still learning in Python after 10+ years! (Mainly because I
don't use it for industrial stength projects)
--
Best Regards
Muhammad Bashir Al-Noimi
My Blog: http://mbnoimi.net
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