On 09/08/17 22:15, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 12:56:56PM +0200, Chris Warrick wrote: > >> While setuptools is not officially part of the stdlib, > > This is the critical factor. How can you use *by default* something that > is *NOT* supplied by default?
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I have to agree with Steven here. Any mature language should ship with all the tools needed to create and distribute a finished program. It is to Python's shame that it currently fails that test because the recommended distribution framework is not part of the standard language package. (and the irony is that the tool for installing the recommended format (pip) is in the standard library. You can download other peoples stuff but you can't make your own in the same format. That's bad. I hope that this is remedied soon, but for the moment Python is horribly at odds with itself - enough to disqualify it from use in many organisations. Any default solution must be available by default. It doesn't matter how many people recommend another solution, if it isn't there it can't be used, and therefore, can't be the default. Sadly there seem to be many in the Python community who do not understand the seriousness of this limitation in terms of Python's adoption. Because they can access it they assume everyone can. It's not true, and the further up the Fortune 500 tree you climb the more that is the case. -- Alan G Author of the Learn to Program web site http://www.alan-g.me.uk/ http://www.amazon.com/author/alan_gauld Follow my photo-blog on Flickr at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alangauldphotos _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
