On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:42 PM, PGage <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What do you mean by considering Malory canon? La Morte D'Arthur may be the
> source of the most widely known stories of Arthur's Knights, but of course,
> as you imply above, they were neither the first (by a long shot) nor the
> last. For those who see some historical nuggets in the Arthur legend they
> are probably not best searched for in Malory. In the context of this thread,
> I don't think a modern version that deviates from Malory can really be
> considered to be any more "wrong" or "inaccurate" than Malory is in his many
> deviations from even earlier sources and versions of the tales.

I called Malory canon because all major works after La Morte D'Arthur
use his characters and follow his plot. Older versions of tales about
Arthur, Merlin, etc are out there but they haven't become the template
for books, plays, ballets, movies, cartoons, and parodies. Those are
based on Malory's work. I take the meaning of canon to relate to the
rabbinical closing of the Hebrew Bible (or old testament) during the
Roman period. The rabbinical authority declared that the bible would
consist of 24 books which weren't, until that time, considered one
book, and other books and/or versions could not be added, nor could
included books be excluded. That means other books were out there,
some referred to in the books of the bible that are now lost. So
canonizing the work didn't mean it was the first or oldest version. It
meant that a body had the authority to claim a final version.

There is no parallel for King Arthur stories. And Malory's version has
to direct ties to whatever historical Arthur there was, but follows
nearly a thousand years of tales being told about Camelot. So in that
sense there is no Arthurian canon. But Malory's version had such well
drawn characters and such a compelling plot that it has become the
version that has been the one followed in the centuries since its
publication.
>
> I wonder if what Steve means above is that the original Arthur stories were
> re-worked and elaborated in the medieval period under the influence of the
> chivalry stories inspired by Charles the Great. I have had a few teachers
> who liked to get their crank on complaining that the Arthur of the popular
> imagination was nothing like the "real" Arthur (quotes in the original
> rants), with the implication that  a lot of the romances of the round table
> were Charlemagne derivatives (if not actually stolen).

The Charlemagne stories might stand out because they were the ones
that were written down. The adventures of some of the knights of the
round table could have been independent tales told in different parts
of Europe which eventually found their way into the Arthurian
framework.

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