> What I'm saying is if we want to have an actual dialogue about network
> so-called "standards," ... It ought to be based on viewers wanting to be
> challenged, wanting more creative programing, and wanting newer stereotypes
> that aren't stuck in a bygone era.

You're assuming that viewers want to be challenged. While some of us
do, TV history would seem to indicate that shows can be very
successful without requiring any effort from the audience.

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