On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM, donz5 <[email protected]> wrote: > Any Top Ten list that doesn't include "Arrested Development"... > > Who do you take off the list to put "AD" on the list?
As for me, I'm going with the Hall of Fame rules - want a show to be over for five years before a decision is made. Let's see how "Mad Men" finishes before it makes any list. TVG > On Jun 3, 7:09 pm, PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Ron Casalotti <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or so says the Writers Guild of America: - > > > > > *Top Ten* > > > Rank Series Title Network Writer(s)* > > > 1 The Sopranos HBO Created by David Chase > > > 2 Seinfeld NBC Created by Larry David & Jerry Seinfeld > > > 3 The Twilight Zone (1959) CBS Season One writers: Charles Beaumont, > > > Richard Matheson, Robert Presnell, Jr., Rod Serling > > > 4 All in the Family CBS Developed for Television by Norman Lear, Based > on > > > Till Death Do Us Part, Created by Johnny Speight > > > 5 M*A*S*H CBS Developed for Television by Larry Gelbart > > > 6 The Mary Tyler Moore Show CBS Created by James L. Brooks and Allan > Burns > > > 7 Mad Men AMC Created by Matthew Weiner > > > 8 Cheers NBC Created by Glen Charles & Les Charles and James Burrows > > > 9 The Wire HBO Created by David Simon > > > 10 The West Wing NBC Created by Aaron Sorkin > > > > > Link to PDF: > > >http://www.wga.org/uploadedfiles/news_and_events/101_TV_Series/tv101l. > .. > > > > I don't hate this list. > > > > A friend and I are hot off of an extended online argument about this a > few > > weeks ago. The first thing we agreed on (after our initial clashing of > > swords) was to separated dramas from comedies; doing that here gives us: > > > > Dramas: Sopranos, Twilight Zone, Mad Men, The Wire and The West Wing > > Comedies: Seinfeld, All in the Family, MASH, Mary Tyler Moore, Cheers > > > > My friend and I had an argument similar to the recent thread here about > The > > Zone, and I will skip over that here (except to say that any argument > that > > results in Twilight Zone staying on this list must also result in the > Dick > > Van Dyke Show making the comedy list). For the record, my drama list was: > > Sopranos, Mad Men, West Wing, Deadwood, Breaking Bad, with The Wire at > #6. > > > > But my main objection to this list (and the main source of conflict with > my > > friend) is the inclusion of Cheers. For my money, Cheers holds up less > well > > over time than any other quality sitcom I can think of (Barney Miller, > > Taxi, Newhart, Bob Newhart, etc). I think Frazier holds up far, far > better > > than Cheers does. I am interested to see the "season 1" specifier on > > Twilight Zone - if that is really intended to limit that honor just to > the > > first season, then I might be willing to include Cheers in the top 5 if > we > > limited it to maybe the first 3 seasons. But I find most of the Kirstie > > Alley seasons just about unwatchable these days. I don't say this as some > > kind of sitcom hipster who only digs the early stuff; I was a big Cheers > > fan during its run, and watched most of the original episodes live, and I > > doubt I missed more than 2 or 3 episodes a year the last 5 seasons. If > you > > had asked me a year after Cheers ended to rank it I would have easily > made > > it a top 3 show. But in recent years I find that while if I happen upon a > > late night Frazier rerun, or a MASH, and certainly a Seinfeld, I will > watch > > the whole thing was affection and often delight, if I stumble upon a > Cheers > > I almost always turn the channel within a couple of minutes. I tried to > > watch extended sessions on Netflix a while back and gave up. I had the > same > > feeling as I did when, in my senior year in college, I found myself stuck > > on a 2 hour car ride with a group of people I had spent a lot of time > with > > as a Freshman. After 15 minutes I was trying to figure out what it ever > was > > about these people that made me want to spend any time with them at all. > > -- > -- > TV or Not TV .... 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