The cinematographer defended his work. One of the Rifftrax/MST3k guys responded.
https://twitter.com/billcorbett/status/1123353896406192128?s=21 On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:07 AM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > I have read about the compression issues. Two things about that: 1) I > watched on my TV, streaming HBOGO via my FireTV. Not sure if that is better > or worse than other options. 2) while I don’t expect producers to make tv > optimized for streaming on an IPhone, I do think they should deliver a > product that can be enjoyed by a standard user. If a significant percentage > of viewers could not see what they are supposed to be seeing, that is a > production fail, and it is unseemly for the cinematographer to blame > unsophisticated viewers. > > I know there were portions of the middle part that were supposed to be > confusing and hard to see; but the impact of that is lost when so much of > what we are supposed to see is equally confusing and opaque. > > On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 9:54 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 12:20 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I suspect that there are a number of issues here. >>> >>> One is compression and re-compression. HBO distributes the show to its >>> partners globally, and probably in a fairly high definition version. But >>> the local carrier than re-compresses that for delivery to homes. Different >>> carriers do very different things. I think it can be particularly bad if >>> you're watching a streamed version of a video - and especially if it's >>> live. The compression algorithms are just set to work "averagely" and that >>> can lead to bad compression. >>> >>> I watched a recorded-as-live version from Sky in the UK in HD and there >>> was lots of blockiness in the dark scenes. Sky's picture is decent, but >>> they compress too much. I remember seeing the same years ago watching Das >>> Boot on DVD with submarines floating around in murky waters. Compression >>> just does a really bad job unless someone spends a lot of time doing it >>> well. When the BluRays of GOT come out (I've been buying them all), the >>> picture will undoubtedly look better. >>> >>> I think that as well as for artistic reasons, they chose darkness to >>> cover up CGI issues. Since this was such a CGI-heavy episode that in full >>> brightness I suspect that it wouldn't look as good. But add darkness and a >>> snowstorm, and you hide a lot of the joins. >>> >>> But this was definitely a dark episode. I watched in a darkened room >>> with the curtains drawn and didn't have too many problems. I could see what >>> was happening when I was supposed to. I think some sections, they were >>> trying to convey confusion in the heat of war. I have a circa 2012 Samsung >>> TV - so nothing too high end. I definitely wouldn't want to watch on a >>> shiny laptop screen or an iPad. But yes, this would look awesome on an OLED >>> screen. But those screens are four figures. >>> >>> The sound, by the way, is exceptional. If you have a separates system, >>> it really makes a difference. I invested in a Denon Atmos enabled receiver >>> a few months ago, and I can feel the room shake! >>> >> >> I read a comment on Monday from someone who thought the battle as shown >> on HBO was too dark due to compression and switched to watching a streamed >> version from HBO Go cast to his TV. He said the picture was much better and >> he had no trouble following what was happening. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "TVorNotTV" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
