Right, as I say I was involved in the efforts to fight that, and agree with your moral judgement. I disagree somewhat with your statement of the specifics, but that does not diminish the crime. What I do disagree with is the idea that this kind of treatment was isolated to the Olympics. It was more a symptom of how the state and the country saw poor people at the time. We blamed Reagan and those who supported him not just for this particular crime against humanity, but for homeless itself, which in its modern form had pretty much just been created in the early 1980s. The Olympics did not cause any of that, just provided an opportunity to display it.
On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 8:59 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 7:57 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I actually worked for a Homeless Shelter in Pasadena in 1984. Your >> description is a little loaded, but we were in the middle of that fight. >> But it’s not like Los Angeles was treating the Homeless with any decency >> before or after the summer of 1984,:so I would not really hold that against >> the Olympics. >> > > I concede I feel very, very strongly about this. But I’m on solid ground > here. Four decades after WWII, local law enforcement and US military forces > worked together to arrest US citizens without charges. They were held > without bail or trial for over a month, denied access to health care, > toilets, and showers, as well as lawyers (or really any contact with the > outside world), and any media (or civilians) who approached the camps had > their cameras and equipment confiscated or destroyed (I was a child playing > on the beach and they threatened me). That was as much the fault of the IOC > (who requested/demanded it) as the city, county, state, and Federal > officials (who carried it out). My description is accurate; it was a human > rights violation patterned after Nazi tactics… in my backyard. And the same > groups are already gearing up to do it again when the farce of a sports > event comes back in a couple years. > > But still, on topic, the recall election is a monumentally stupid waste of > my money, and its impact on the state will be to further divide the > citizens at a time when we ought to be coming together to regrow the > economy. And much like the pointlessly drawn out NYC mayoral primaries, > everyone in the country is going to have to endure national coverage of > this GOP temper tantrum. And that’s time the media isn’t going to be > covering issues and stories that matter. > > I need a nap after writing that. > > > >> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 5:42 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> My family visited San Clemente in 84 and saw the illegal detention camp >>> where law enforcement kidnapped and moved the homeless (and other >>> “undesirables”). It soured me on the entire Olympics. People deserve better >>> treatment than to be locked away from public view at a time when the whole >>> world is watching. That entire game was a black mark on California. As the >>> future Olympics will be, since the lessons of the past are never learned >>> here. >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 5:35 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I still lived in SoCal in 1984. I hated Peter Ueberroth, but those >>>> Olympics were run very well, avoided most of the threatened traffic >>>> problems, utilized almost exclusively existing venues, and made a profit of >>>> more than $200 million. I don't think it was a waste of CA taxpayer money, >>>> >>>> The Recall is a huge waste of money. >>>> >>>> On Thu, 1 Jul 2021 at 4:32 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Biggest waste of California taxpayer money that doesn’t include the >>>>> word Olympics >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:07 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sept 14th. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/california-sets-date-for-recall-election-targeting-gavin-newsom-1234976840/ >>>>>> (link) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2c482d20-ef90-498e-8e00-6da5d980d60an%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/2c482d20-ef90-498e-8e00-6da5d980d60an%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kevin M. 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