Fair enough. MH didn’t make the new rules (or burn the old ones) herself. But she does play the game by the new rules with exceptional vigor, and their are reporters at the Times who still seem to okay it with substantially more ethics and principle.
On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 at 7:32 AM Tom Wolper <[email protected]> wrote: > I see Haberman as the fruit of a poisoned tree and not a rogue in a > fundamentally sound institution. In the run up to choosing Trump the GOP > decided to get rid of their guardrails and disrupt the entire political > system. US institutions that relied upon the stability of that system, > including political journalism, went into denial about the disruption. > > So I can’t make it personal to Haberman. She’s performing journalism the > way her publisher and editors want her to. The results of it are shockingly > bad but her personal failure is dwarfed by the institutional failure. > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 6:17 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: > >> About 15 months ago we had a short thread on NYT reporter Maggie >> Haberman, which was basically a conversation on was she a bad reporter, or >> one of the worst reporters ever. I had the former position, but the >> interval seems to be proving me wrong. >> >> Steve Schmidt took a dump on her all over Twitter today. Nit sure how >> that will play out (I will defer to others better situated to judge if the >> texts he released are “menacing”, as Maggie accuses). >> >> I have to say, Schmidt’s claim that she published an at best lazy and >> sloppy story accusing him of wrong doing to service Kushner so he would do >> her a favor does sound exactly like the way she operates, very >> transactionally. >> >> >> https://twitter.com/steveschmidtses/status/1506738476821090307?s=21&t=fjjcqLIV0oQRw4GtjrPr6Q >> >> >> On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 at 6:14 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I’ve actually had two brief Twitter arguments with Maggie Haberman. She >>> is not as bad as many of her critics maintain, but she is the prototype of >>> a certain kind of New York Times reporter, who sacrifices truth and >>> accuracy for access to powerful government sources. In a way she is the >>> Judith Miller of the Trump era (that is an exaggeration, she is nowhere >>> near as bad as Miller was). >>> >>> Still, any reporter, even Maggie or Chucky Todd, is a hero of the >>> Republic in the era of Trump’s constant war against the press. >>> >>> On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 8:16 PM Kevin M. <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 7:37 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On a day when a seditious mob directed by a US President to break into >>>>> the Capital to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power, and one of >>>>> them scratched into one of the Capital doors “Murder the Media”, I did not >>>>> want to spend my time bashing US coverage. >>>> >>>> >>>> Today on CNN, Jake Tapper referred to Maggie Haberman as one of the top >>>> two journalists in the country. I swear I did an actual spit-take. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> But a day later, I will note that I wound up watching most of the days >>>>> events on MSNBC (I was working from home, and happened to have a 90 minute >>>>> break about 20 minutes into the event, so was kind of stuck for a while >>>>> with MSNBC, the channel my tv happened to be on). A lot of their reporters >>>>> in the field did a good to very good job, but, so unfortunately, Chuck >>>>> Todd >>>>> was in one of the co-anchor chairs (remember, we were supposed to be >>>>> watching the EC count) and talked over, in his awkward, Toddish, insipid >>>>> way the far more polished and insightful Katy Tur. >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BvPKhHhYUuARc5KpFu%3DbubFpe9WmivySG0qysiSOeqMg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BvPKhHhYUuARc5KpFu%3DbubFpe9WmivySG0qysiSOeqMg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kevin M. 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