On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 9:35 PM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> wrote:

> You have to remember that most of the late-night hosts were on hiatus for
> most of August, with only Kimmel doing guest hosts that month.  Gutfeld's
> on every night and has a substitute on the nights off.  Also, he has that
> carryover audience over 65 that's been watching Fox News all night (if not
> all day) that no one else really has. But yeah, when Colbert has frickin'
> direct response ads on his show, you can tell late night is not what it
> used to be.
>
> Carson and Ed used to do live ads for dog food, and that was at the height
of their run on The Tonight Show, so that feels like a clumsy barometer to
try to use.


Mark Jeffries
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> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 6:40 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It is really hard to find ratings numbers for late night shows, a huge
>> difference from when I used to follow these numbers closely during Conan’s
>> Tonight Show. I did find this though from Forbes:
>>
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2022/09/30/how-late-night-talk-ratings-cratered-during-trevor-noahs-daily-show-era/
>>
>> Noah averaged 1.1M viewers his first season (2015-16), while Fallon was
>> at 3.8M and Colbert 3.2M.
>>
>> Forbes does not give average ratings for the entire 2021-22 season, just
>> for August, which obviously is not very typical.
>>
>> They have Noah at 383K, Colbert at 2.16M, and Fallon at 1.34M (Kimmel was
>> 1.1M and Gutfield at 2.2M but I am not focusing on either as their August
>> 2022 ratings even more anomalous than the others).
>>
>> Forbes has Colbert with *only* a 31% decline in ratings from 2015, while
>> Noah and Fallon are both around 65% decline.
>>
>> Those decline percentages are probably an overestimate since they are
>> based on low viewership August numbers only for 2022, but they give a sense
>> of the magnitude of the changing environment. No matter how hot Noah is
>> with the demo and viral videos, his TV numbers are low and falling, and CC
>> can not make money paying him $16M. I will be shocked if whoever replaces
>> him is paid more than $5M, and not surprised if it is less than that. CBS
>> is probably still making a profit at 11:35, but NBC is likely only doing
>> slightly better than breaking even. All of these guys will make less on
>> their next contract than they do now, which is pretty much the point at
>> which people move on to other gigs.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 12:21 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, just the usual suspects about a particular show (e.g. recent
>>> claims by Gutfeld) or Futon Critic whom just has the big nets' 11.35 folks
>>> (Kimmel took the latest round)
>>> B
>>>
>>> Steve Timko, to M-D November et al, Sept 30th:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have current ratings for all late night shows?
>>>>
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