I think over my lifetime daytime television has shifted a fair amount, whereas
late night was typically a talk show and syndicated/rerun programming over the
same period of time. The changes there were in how many talk shows there
were/are.
Both game shows and soap operas have shrank dramatically over the last quarter
century, filled in by other kinds of programming. Even daytime talk has
changed, with other formats like the panel shows sharing timeslots with more
traditional single-host centered shows.
I guess a distillation of my point is that daytime seems more resilient because
there doesn't seem to be the resistance to other kinds of shows emerging as
some kinds of shows decline.
David
On Wednesday, October 12, 2022 at 10:51:45 AM PDT, PGage <[email protected]>
wrote:
I respect that lots of people like programming that I don’t (and Vice versa),
but not why linear television seems more resistant to rampant decline in some
day parts and not others.
You seem to be suggesting that age is a factor; the older audiences who watch
TV in the day are less likely to cut their cords and stream. Guess that makes
sense (and interacts with other factors like SES and education). That is also
consistent with procedural drama being one of the species of cockroaches that
seem to be surviving in Primetime, while the audiences for late night tend to
be younger and better educated (and so more likely to bleed out to streaming et
Al). Still, I wonder if we will soon see similar fragmentation and decline of
the daytime TV audience as well. After all, most of the television I watch is
actually streaming, but I watch it on my TV set, use the remote that controls
my TV, and once it is set up need no more technical competence or imagination
than needed to access broadcast television.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:36 AM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> wrote:
Different audiences for different times--and you and I are not the target
audiences for those shows.
Another main difference is that Colbert and Fallon don't do cooking and fashion
segments (well, if Colbert does, it's either Martha Stewart or his friend Jose
Andres), which to a certain extent are fixtures of most of the daytime shows
(along with the more repugnant home shopping segments, and yes there are 800
numbers and website URLs on the lower thirds during those segments) and there
aren't the "real people" segments that Kelly Clarkson does a lot of.
And that's what daytime does today--mostly talk and court shows with a few game
shows and the remaining soaps. No movies on the local stations or sitcom
reruns, although in Chicago the technical replacement for "Ellen" is "Dateline"
reruns. That and expanded news. If you want to watch old sitcoms, go to MeTV
and the other classic TV subchannels or streaming. And I think there is still
force of habit, especially among the older audiences who were not happy to see
"Days of Our Lives" go to Peacock a few weeks ago. As for NETWORK daytime
programming, the newest is the NBC News show that replaced "Days," followed by
the midday extension of "GMA" on ABC and then "The Talk" on CBS (12 years ago).
Mark Jeffries
[email protected]
On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:02 PM PGage <[email protected]> wrote:
I don’t know or care anything about daytime broadcast television; I have been
off work for 9 weeks and never once had a thought about tuning in to sample
it*. But I am interested in the claim made by this article that daytime talk
shows are still a going concern.
When Trevor Noah announced he was leaving TDS it triggered a series of
observations that late night TV talk shows were obsolete. Yet this article
claims that the end of several daytime talk shows last season (including Ellen)
is simply making room for three new shows this season.
1. Is she correct?2. Why would the format be dead after 11:00 pm but vibrant
after Noon?
*When not walking my Strike line or taking care of errands and projects, or
reading, I have watched quite a bit of television in the daytime during the
last two months+, all of it either old films or catching up on streaming series.
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