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Kevin M. (RPCV) On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:10 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes - all kinds of shared footage. > > In the past, even the Olympics would have been bought by Eurovision for > onward sharing by member stations across Europe (Warner Bros Discovery has > it these days, although they sub licence footage to many national PSBs > around Europe as required by law). > > On Fri, 10 May 2024, 16:24 Mark Jeffries, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> And doesn't the EBU provide shared news and events coverage with its >> member broadcasters? That's where the "Eurovision" name comes from (and >> the blast of Charpentier's "Te Deum" that begins and ends Eurovision >> broadcasts). >> >> Mark Jeffries >> [email protected] >> >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 9:34 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Eurovision is very expensive, although I'm never entirely sure why. >>> Costs vary, but somewhere around $20m+ is probably fairly close. And from >>> what I can tell, that cost is essentially borne by the host country - the >>> host being the winner of the previous year's competition (the UK stepped in >>> to host for Ukraine last year having finished 2nd in 2022). >>> >>> But I'm not sure that it's true to say that it would never happen if >>> proposed today. The ratings are insanely good in most countries across >>> Europe. In the UK it's about 10m, which placed it third in 2023 behind only >>> the coronation (which isn't something that comes around that much) and the >>> finale of Happy Valley. And in some European countries it is taken *much* >>> more seriously than it is in the UK. >>> >>> And it has a bunch of things that continue to work in 2024. Years ago, >>> they transitioned from juries being the sole arbiters in each country to >>> phone lines and now online voting. That means audience participation. And >>> there's the reality-show style lead-ups in many countries that go about >>> choosing that country's entry (Not everyone does this. Someone in the UK >>> just *picks* our entrant these days.) >>> >>> Eurovision itself is much bigger than just the Song Competition. There >>> are other shared rights that member countries get access to. And these >>> days, a lot of classical music created by various state broadcasters around >>> Europe is shared this way. For example, many across Europe will watch the >>> New Year's Day Concert from Vienna which plays a lot of Strauss waltzes >>> (e.g. The Blue Danube) every year. The BBC Proms are shared across Europe >>> too. >>> >>> As for the booing - I'm sure that they have really good sound mixers on >>> the programme that means that they can easily turn up or down sections of >>> the audience that are doing anything that they don't like. For a show like >>> Eurovision, you would probably have lots of microphones scattered across >>> the audience that you can mix between. In Premier League football fixtures, >>> sections of the crowd will sometimes sing songs with words that can't be >>> broadcast, and the sound mixer will dip the relevant mics and bring up >>> others. And I'm sure they can "augment" the crowd mix if needed. >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:57 PM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In an interesting piece behind a paywall, the Ankler said that the very >>>> expensive to run Eurovision song contest has kept going due only to >>>> tradition and that if someone would propose it today, it would be turned >>>> down in the wink of an eye. Of course, it was a much different beast in >>>> 1958, with everyone in formal wear singing in front of a house orchestra in >>>> a concert hall and no dancers or flashy special effects--and only seven >>>> contestants. And it was reflecting the mainstream western European adult >>>> sensibility of easy listening music (none of that American rock and roll). >>>> Even in 1974, when ABBA basically began their international career at >>>> Eurovision, the production on their hit song "Waterloo" was understated >>>> compared to the overblown spectacle Eurovision has become--and the fall of >>>> the eastern Soviet bloc has made a big difference in what the contest has >>>> become. >>>> >>>> Mark Jeffries >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 8:38 AM John Edwards <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The EBU did apparently take steps to ensure that any booing last night >>>>> wasn't audible on the broadcast, and isn't above sweetening or inserting >>>>> sounds of cheering to ensure that any booing doesn't go out on TV. Social >>>>> media last night indicated that there was some booing, but I'm not sure if >>>>> it was as pronounced as during the dress rehearsal on Wednesday. >>>>> >>>>> John >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 7:42 PM Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Singer Eden Golan has been told not to leave her hotel in Malmo, >>>>>> Sweden, except for rehearsals and performances, as throngs outside are >>>>>> protesting Israel's presence in the annual song contest--the song was >>>>>> originally entitled "October Rain," but the Eurovision bosses rejected it >>>>>> as too controversial, so it was rewritten and retitled "Hurricane" (video >>>>>> of song in link)--Golan's rehearsal yesterday was interrupted by boos >>>>>> from >>>>>> the audience, although no boos were evident during today's semi-final >>>>>> heat >>>>>> telecast (I'm assuming that Sweden's SVT is not sweetening the audience >>>>>> response like some American reality comps)--she made it into the Saturday >>>>>> finals after an all-viewer vote (the finals are at 3 p.m. ET in the U.S. >>>>>> on >>>>>> Peacock), as did the Irish rock band Bambie Thug, who had to change their >>>>>> costumes on Tuesday's semi-final heat when it was found that Celtic >>>>>> writing >>>>>> on the costumes said "CEASE FIRE" and "FREEDOM FOR PALESTINE": >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.thewrap.com/eurovision-protests-israel-eden-golan-hurricane/ >>>>>> >>>>>> The European Broadcasting Union of pubcasters who organizes >>>>>> Eurovision has always maintained that the contest is apolitical and that >>>>>> Israel's pubcasters are valid members of the organization, but politics >>>>>> has >>>>>> always butt into the proceedings over the years (like the Ukraine winning >>>>>> in 2022 after the Russian invasion) and with the panels of industry >>>>>> people >>>>>> voting on Saturday along with viewers, it will be interesting to see how >>>>>> Israel does and if the EBU will get hit with either coddling Zionism or >>>>>> supporting anti-Semitism. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/dcfd7865-998b-47ea-86a4-038337097418n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/dcfd7865-998b-47ea-86a4-038337097418n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John Edwards >>>>> "You can insure against the weather, but you can't insure against >>>>> incompetence, can you?" - 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