And the real price for what is now known as Venu, has now been revealed as being... $42.99.
So a bit cheaper than my $50 guess. https://deadline.com/2024/08/price-of-espn-fox-wbd-sports-streaming-bundle-venu-1236028650/ "Linear networks offered via Venu include ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, SECN, ACCN, ESPNEWS, ABC, FOX, FS1, FS2, BTN, TNT, TBS and truTV. Programming from ESPN+ and on-demand fare from all three partners are also part of the offering." Maybe downgrading the value of TNT and TBS when WBD loses NBA rights - assuming they don't win their legal fight to "match" Amazon. Adam On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 10:33 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: > So it sounds like it's going to cost $50 a month according to Lachlan > Murdoch. > > https://www.threads.net/@pkafka/post/C4G76nFvjjo/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== > > Which is precisely what I guessed it would cost :-) > > > > On Thu, 8 Feb 2024, 02:44 PGage, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have been reading a bit about this, and the main thing that comes >> through is they still don’t really know what they are doing with this. For >> some reason they had a need to announce this as a placeholder, while they >> figure out the details. >> >> As Adam suggests, a lot of those details surround how the next round of >> sports rights plays out. Almost certainly this means WBD is dedicated to >> keeping the NBA, which will be a big price tag - and I wonder if they plan >> to announce all or many NBA games will only be available on Max. This would >> make having access via the new sports streamer a savings. Will ESPN then >> also make all or some MLB or NFL only on Hulu or Disney+, creating a >> similar savings? >> >> Also, does this mean Zaz really is determined to get Paramount, and add >> its NFL, Golf and whatever else to the new bundle? >> >> I’m going to have Max and the Disney bundle no matter what, so still not >> clear to me why I would pay $50 for sports I already have access to. But I >> begin to see there may be a segment of the population that only wants >> sports, not premium entertainment streaming, and may one day soon (not >> today) find $50 a month for the Sports Blob is preferable to something like >> YT-TV, Max and Disney Bundle (which would be around what, $100/month?). Is >> that segment large enough to make a lot of profit? I suspect that is also >> one of the things they really don’t know. >> >> Sent from Gmail Mobile >> >> >> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 at 2:30 AM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I guess it's all about the maths. >>> >>> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN >>> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the >>> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights. >>> >>> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to >>> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that >>> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month >>> to be as profitable as they were before. >>> >>> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues >>> for the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow. >>> >>> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the >>> NBA looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less >>> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and >>> you get big numbers quickly. >>> >>> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+, >>> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable >>> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and >>> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed >>> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription. >>> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From the article: >>>> >>>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a >>>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that >>>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per >>>> month for its basic plan. CNBC >>>> <https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/06/espn-fox-and-warner-bros-discovery-to-launch-joint-sports-streaming-platform-this-year.html> >>>> reported >>>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”* >>>> >>>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC >>>> are no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying >>>> $50 a month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other >>>> half of the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well, erything >>>> else one currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local >>>> stations, basic cable). >>>> >>>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable >>>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies >>>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV) >>>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal >>>> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the >>>> Sunday NFL games if they want). >>>> >>>> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per >>>> month. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs. >>>>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey. >>>>> >>>>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the >>>>> numbers floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe >>>>> that Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start >>>>> charging for it. >>>>> >>>>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be >>>>> lots of price modelling going on to work out how many people would >>>>> subscribe at various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z >>>>> million >>>>> at $50. But if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's >>>>> everything the three players have to offer. >>>>> >>>>> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive >>>>> this price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to >>>>> factor in. >>>>> >>>>> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a >>>>> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax >>>>> inclusive). >>>>> But that doesn't include rival TNT Sports who have some Premier League >>>>> games and Champions League games as well as plenty other sports. >>>>> Standalone, that costs another £30.99 ($39 tax inclusive) for a Discovery+ >>>>> Premium package. That gets you most, but not all sports. And while there >>>>> are packages available on various platforms to reduce this cost, it gives >>>>> you a good idea of what you might have to pay. >>>>> >>>>> I'm guessing that CBS isn't part of this at the moment because their >>>>> parent company is essentially up for sale. Maybe jumping into this plan >>>>> might complicate a potential sale down the line since the new owner might >>>>> have their own plan for company's sports rights. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 10:39 PM Jim Ellwanger <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It also doesn't appear to include local MLB, NBA, and NHL broadcasts >>>>>> (aside from out-of-market NHL broadcasts that are already available on >>>>>> ESPN+). If they could get the in-market streaming rights to those -- >>>>>> which >>>>>> would involve negotiations with the teams and the current rights holders, >>>>>> e.g., Bally Sports in some areas -- it would be a definite cable killer. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2024, at 2:04 PM, Mark Jeffries <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> As you've probably figured out, this doesn't include--as of now--CBS' >>>>>> NFL and NCAA coverage. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 4:00:46 PM UTC-6 Mark Jeffries wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The service, to come in the fall, will have MLB (except the AppleTV+ >>>>>>> and Peacock packages), NFL (except Sunday Night Football), NBA and NHL >>>>>>> games, along with a ton of college games (including the NCAA men's and >>>>>>> women's basketball tourneys) and whatever else the Worldwide Leader can >>>>>>> throw in--no name, launch date or pricing announced: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.thewrap.com/fox-warner-bros-discovery-disney-sports-streaming-joint-venture/ >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/128e7ee9-3da1-408c-8117-bdeefa7df95cn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/128e7ee9-3da1-408c-8117-bdeefa7df95cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/B22FB8E3-DA65-4A2A-B0FD-00AB2EB3A70C%40ellwanger.tv >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/B22FB8E3-DA65-4A2A-B0FD-00AB2EB3A70C%40ellwanger.tv?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGA_oY7eOjk%3DvbgA3%3Du_x3UN2P5A4Xo4QAgq9z5hbY0mdQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGA_oY7eOjk%3DvbgA3%3Du_x3UN2P5A4Xo4QAgq9z5hbY0mdQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BttgNAcVF53_Fo%3D2smFF-2jATeYX7LqBn0kvCkhKGiGw%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BttgNAcVF53_Fo%3D2smFF-2jATeYX7LqBn0kvCkhKGiGw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "TVorNotTV" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGAaWXmiH_HZsKdo3da-mQrsBvob6ZP25Unr-6A_9t_74g%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAD_sJGAaWXmiH_HZsKdo3da-mQrsBvob6ZP25Unr-6A_9t_74g%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "TVorNotTV" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BdDN5usuptCiW7N5LC-8N7ccBOep7D5tJGgSbAT%3DEYmw%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tvornottv/CAKGtkY%2BdDN5usuptCiW7N5LC-8N7ccBOep7D5tJGgSbAT%3DEYmw%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. 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