On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 02:16:56 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:58:58 -0500, "L. Daniel Burr"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:54:54 -0500, Valentino Volonghi aka Dialtone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think this whole discussion is based on a misunderstanding.
I agree.
Yay! ;)
To me, the bottom line is this: If all you are ever going to do is build
web applications, then you will *never* see any real point in jumping
through all of cred's hoops (portal, avatar, mind, WTF?
Guard _should_ support single-sign-on systems like OpenID or Active
Directory, to minimize the number of passwords that users have to
remember when interacting with Twisted sites.
I'm sure everyone agrees that SSO support would be highly desirable.
If it did, it would be a lot easier to sell some of the learning
required to use it well. But I think that we could do a lot to make the
learning seem easier: once over the initial hump, guard is not hard to
use and the conceptual design is very simple.
Absolutely. The real point I was trying to make is that your "typical"
web developer (yes, I know people hate when I generalize like this) just
wants some mechanism that he/she doesn't have to think about. Granted,
some people are very uncomfortable using technology that they haven't
read line-for-line, but I'm not one of those. I actually *like* for
things like authentication/authorization to be black boxes. Not in
terms of the code, mind you, but in terms of use. Don't make people
get cred/guard zen in order to feel comfortable using them.
[snip]
I think that interacting with it through a slightly higher-level
system like Mantissa is pretty easy, so some focus on a bit of
boilerplate to hide some of the more advanced details would be good.
Yes, this is the black box to which I was referring. As someone who
uses Mantissa, one of the things that appealed to me was that I did
not have to do anything but create some user accounts, and I didn't
have to even think about guard. It all just works, and that's the
kind of ease-of-use that is needed.
Of course, my answer is to just use Mantissa, but there seems to be
a fair number of people who only want Nevow, hence this whole thread.
Thanks for clarifying where cred/guard should go.
L. Daniel Burr (amberite)
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