Hi Ryan Church and state, love it. So I went ahead and seperated everything anyway, it was a great exerice as I really got my head around the framework, and how to achive things with rows. I ran into a few issues, and was able to easily reslove them thanks to working in this way.
So I have two pages looking sweet and all of padding/ margin problems are resolved for now. I removed any margin on left or right, and most padding. the well class has padding an everything is sitting nicely. I still have border box class enabled. Ok, onto badges I'll draw a picture re the badges, however try this A badge class (with a picture on the badge itsself, not ontop, but a badge class in BS with a little icon at its center. Make sense now? So like a glyph inside a badge. the badge class in BS is a rectangle coloured box. I want that box, with a glyph as a visual indicator. Thanks again! On Friday, 17 August 2012 23:12:33 UTC+10, Ryan wrote: > > I'm not visualizing what you are trying to achieve based on your > description, but it's early. I think you want the icon above the badge? In > that case the thumbnail might work. > > But to address at least part fo your question, any span* class can contain > spans (within a row or multiple rows) that add up to its width. So a span > 12 could have 6 * span2. In short, yes, the gutter is accounted for. > > Also, there is nothing technically work with adding additional styling to > the scaffolding classes, as long as they don't have styling that disrupts > the grid you are trying to achieve. I don't think this makes it leaner in > the sense that you'll see actual performance gains on loads. It may be > slightly less verbose, but it is also them less flexible and I > like separating church and state (layout styling from visual styling) > because I think it makes the markup more expressive. Again, this is > entirely a personal choice, but using find and replace and or zen coding > should make changing the markup very simple. > > Not sure about the padding, but I would have to look at the box model and > see. using firebug should make it easy to visually see what's happening > with the box model. > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Backspace > <[email protected]<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> oh i see - >> >> I mean I will have a badge with an icon 'on' the badge it's self, not a >> thumbnail next to it. >> >> Another question: >> >> If I have a span 2, how come I can fit two span 1s inside, is it because >> the gutter is taken into account? >> >> >> On Friday, 17 August 2012 20:56:57 UTC+10, Ryan wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking your markup would look something like this: >>> >>> <div class="span2"> <!-- skinny column --> >>> <div class="row"> >>> <div class="span1"> >>> //badge markup >>> </div> >>> <div class="span1"> >>> //thumbnail markup >>> </div> >>> </div> <!-- end row --> >>> <div class="row"> >>> <div class="span1"> >>> //badge markup >>> </div> >>> <div class="span1"> >>> //thumbnail markup >>> </div> >>> </div> <!-- end row --> >>> ...etc, etc >>> </div> <!--- end skinny column --> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:03 AM, Backspace <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> The long skinny span 2 - It is going to have some badges in it from >>>> bootstrap (with an ico on each one) >>>> >>>> What's the best way to lay these out? with the thumbnails class? >>>> Or should I nest a fluid inside (want to avoid this) >>>> >>>> >>>> Woot so happy! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 15:01:21 UTC+10, Backspace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yay it works >>>>> >>>>> thanks so much! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> it is also responsive now bonus! >>>>> >>>>> I have further questions though. Should I start a new thread? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 10:18:44 UTC+10, Backspace wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> sweet let me punch that in, really greatful for all of the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 02:44:32 UTC+10, Ryan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not sure why you are using the pull-right. Based on the image >>>>>>> you sent out, you should be able to achieve that entirely with using >>>>>>> scaffolding. The attached image is the output of the code I pasted >>>>>>> before >>>>>>> with soem lorum ipsum insterted: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Inline image 1] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Backspace >>>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think the 'pull-right' class is messing things up - however I >>>>>>>> have no other way to get this box to work 'inline' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 01:40:23 UTC+10, Barry vd. Heuvel wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or use border-box, to apply the padding without changing the width >>>>>>>>> ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Backspace <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have something looking pretty good - using a pull right on the >>>>>>>>>> span class though. The gutter is not ideal (too thick, I can look at >>>>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>>>> for that right). not sure why padding seems to affect boxes. wait I >>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>> apply the padding to the elements inside the wells. arrrr >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, 17 August 2012 00:46:10 UTC+10, Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's how I would do it, yes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> span12 >>>>>>>>>>> row >>>>>>>>>>> span10 offset1 >>>>>>>>>>> row >>>>>>>>>>> //more stuff >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Backspace < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So it's ok to have margin on-top /bottom, just not left-right. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have my stuff contained within a span 10 with an offset of 1. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I really have a lot more questions. I have been fool with the >>>>>>>>>>>> code for a while now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit making progress, got something to line up that was >>>>>>>>>>>> annoying for ages (removed some padding) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Edit - Padding left or right, will affect the box, I see it >>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - adjusting colour on span 10 'container' so the span 12 .... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Question, I center a span 10 - inside a span 12with span 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> offset1 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this the best way? I can post all of the code if needed, >>>>>>>>>>>> make it look the way I think it should look. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:44:35 UTC+10, Backspace wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ok that makes sense.So I can just remove the width (either >>>>>>>>>>>>> margin or padding) on any classes, and nest to position? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> did you see my pull right class? According to what you say, >>>>>>>>>>>>> this is ok, it's not adding width. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh I have a while to go. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it ok for an element to 'butt' up against it's parent, is >>>>>>>>>>>>> that part of the grid? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:41:04 UTC+10, Barry vd. Heuvel >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can throw in as many classnames as you like, just be sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to not change the total width. Just inspect with your developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools, to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> check the width/margins/etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Backspace < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When using the default box-sizing, the paddings and margins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are added to the width (see http://css-tricks.com/box-** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizi**********ng/ <http://css-tricks.com/box-sizing/> ), so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you add those classes to the same element as .spanX, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grid doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fit, so use them in a element inside the span, not on the span >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So would say though >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so use them in a element inside the span (with no added >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margin /padding) Hope that makes sense. I know what the box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> model is, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess I am missing something, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this context >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="row"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span8"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <di vclass="myclasswithmargin"/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="row"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span8 myclasswithmargin"/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Say css is for first one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .myclasswithmargin { >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> margin:10px 4px 20px 10px; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> } >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would do the same thing if it was for the second one, screw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the framework. It's not just where you put the code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps even in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> row) as long as it does not fight the position of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural elements. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This awesome example confuses me. The only dif >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/Sherbrow/**p******** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npUW/embedded/result/<http://jsfiddle.net/Sherbrow/pnpUW/embedded/result/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The onlyu dif in two examples is no class in row / but still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in span. Does that make sense? Because it confuses me, as you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are telling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me to further separate classes. I thought you could throw class >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> divs willnilly. padding / margin aspects make sense though! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 23:13:46 UTC+10, Barry vd. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heuvel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The .spanX classes have a margin. When you give it an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra class with margin, you overwrite the first margin. So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you cannot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combine the spanX class with classwithmargin. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When using the default box-sizing, the paddings and margins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are added to the width (see http://css-tricks.com/box-** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizi**********ng/ <http://css-tricks.com/box-sizing/> ), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so when you add those classes to the same element as .spanX, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't fit, so use them in a element inside the span, not on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the span >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to add padding/borders to the span elements, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without changing the width, use border-box: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://paulirish.com/2012/box-************ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sizing-border-box-ftw/<http://paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mixin: .box-sizing(@boxmodel); >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When you want to update easily, don't update the core >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootstrap files, but overwrite them in a custom less file, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> import after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bootstrap code (or custom css). This wil give more css >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> output, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier updates. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Backspace < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Barry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what I was thinking, just use borders and padd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> content inside of it, but leave the structural stuff to grid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (starting to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it). I suspect this will help me with responsive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adjustment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Question1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I do this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="row"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span8"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <di vclass="myclasswithmargin"/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is same as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="row"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span8"**myclasswithmargin**********"/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (keeping inheritance and stake order in mind of course). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of my elements contain specific padding / margin for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positioning. Do I need to contain these inside further >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structural code to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure they respond according to the responsive features (I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am sticking to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed width boxes). I guess if it's not style, use the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> framework, makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect sense now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use a custom.css file to add anything I want on-top. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am adding my own updates into My Less file, but I realised if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I update the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> core I overwrite). Should I put all of my .less updates into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a .less file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called after the bootstrap .less files? What's best practice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> light weight. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Q3a If you were working large scale project, would you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even auto update a site (with any type of frame work), or do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it manually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Add bits of code from update as you see fit {as long as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works}) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a few thousand lines of code to re-write. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 16:37:16 UTC+10, Barry vd. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heuvel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The span classes are calculated to fit exactly. When you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add extra styles that change the width, it doesn't fit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you can use styling, bit nothing that makes it larger, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so no border or margins/paddings. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you could use the border-box model, to create >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> borders/paddings, without changing the width >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 16 aug. 2012 06:21 schreef "Backspace" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> het volgende: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am using my own well class in the less file. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So to recap. <class "row"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <class "span4"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <class "mywell"/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> </div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can any one lese confirm that placing class names in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spans (my own classes) is bad practice? I can see your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, it's jut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there will be a load of reworking going into my site if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's the case. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds fair though. I can see sherbrow has pretty much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confirmed this for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me too, I just thought I could place my own class names >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alongside the span >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> class div tag. So <div class="span 5 myclass"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It makes sense though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not had a chance to look at your code on how to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve the, let's call it 'float emulation', I am after. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently pulling a row to the right. I guess this is bad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 12:14:56 UTC+10, Ryan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stupid IE 10 is sending blank messages when I reply. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guess that is what I get for using the release preview. So >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to recap, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shorter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure it messes with the formatting, but this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is also a better practice. Only use grid/scaffolding >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> classes for layout, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put visible content inside them. I would also add your own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clas, instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just well, so you can override the css in the future if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Backspace < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ryan, thnaks (and you too >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sherbrow) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first question - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With this code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span5"><div class="content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well">content</div></div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would this not be the same? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <div class="span5 content well"></div> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am justa adding another couple of classes to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> span 5. Or are you sayin that the margins / padding in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> span 5 and well will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 16 August 2012 02:14:06 UTC+10, Sherbrow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As said before, you should definitely not use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> formatting classes (like well - or you own styles) on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scaffolding. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The same for mixing spans and rows. The most obvious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason is that both those classes have different margin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behavior, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creates paddings not supported by the grid. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of your first code, showing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences (you can see that the 2nd col is actually a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> span4, which added >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the span6 fills the span10) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jsfiddle.net/Sherbrow/**p**************** >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> npUW/embedded/result/<http://jsfiddle.net/Sherbrow/pnpUW/embedded/result/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan idea about giving classes to style the content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of the spans is definitely a good practice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:20:50 PM UTC+2, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backspace wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a pic to make it easier. Perhaps I need to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use a clear fix? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 14 August 2012 19:31:14 UTC+10, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backspace wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry if this is not clear, what I want to do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >
