Would somebody take me off this damn mailing list? When I got to the homepage to unsubscribe it says I can't because I am not currently a member. Well then why am I getting these emails? Make them stop please.
From: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM To: Digest Recipients Subject: [twitter-dev] Digest for twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com - 11 Messages in 4 Topics Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/topics a.. Please allow me to see people who RT me! ! [6 Updates] b.. Kill the new RT feature - it's non-relational [3 Updates] c.. Geotagging API [1 Update] d.. Can't post tweets from my server with an account [1 Update] Topic: Please allow me to see people who RT me! ! Chuck Blakeman <cfblake...@gmail.com> Nov 22 08:46AM -0700 Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only) degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step backwards for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of relationship building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter, and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I missing here on what's good about this? Ignoring Relationship Building People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's how we build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find people I want to meet is that they like what I say, and more often than not, an RT tells me they like what I say, and I do the same for them. To keep me from being able to see people who like what I say removes one of the best ways of building relationships Twitter has. I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build my business. Elitist Arrrogance Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed that people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up your nose at people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that. This mindset doesn't want to build relationships but just wants to be able to count how many faceless, nameless people RT them - how arrogant is that? Increased Meaningless RT Traffic Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT - copy, paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of work. But that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing just to gain followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for spamming. Now by the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing like changing TV channels w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it meant enough to them to put a little effort into building that relationship with you - just stop holding your finger up and let it fall - that really shows a how much that comment meant to you? Summary Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become less and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability to build relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it easier for people to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to spam people to death. And this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing it. Facebook is starting to look good all of a sudden. CAN'T YOU MAKE IT A CHOICE TO SEE RTs FROM NON-FOLLOWERS? WHY SHOULD I SUFFER BECAUSE THE TWITTER ELITE ARE TIRED OF THEIR FOLLOWERS? Michael Ekstrand <mich...@elehack.net> Nov 22 10:14AM -0600 Chuck Blakeman wrote: > and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I > missing here on what's good about this? Have you tried looking at the "Your tweets, retweeted" tab in the Retweets page on Twitter's web site? - Michael -- mouse, n: A device for pointing at the xterm in which you want to type. Confused by the strange files? I cryptographically sign my messages. For more information see <http://www.elehack.net/resources/gpg>. chuckblakeman <cfblake...@gmail.com> Nov 22 09:24AM -0800 I don't see any RTs in the "Your tweets, retweeted" tab from people WHO AREN'T FOLLOWING ME. I want to see those! Is there a way for me to see people who RT me who aren't following me? That's the biggest problem i see with this, and unless I can find those people, this whole "upgrade" ignores some basic fundamentals of building relationships. Imagine having people visit your blog and try to leave a comment that they agree with you and you're not allowed to see it. And this is an upgrade? Still not seeing any upgrade here. Duane Roelands <duane.roela...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:13AM -0800 I believe the "Retweets Of Me" timeline is what you're looking for. chuckblakeman <cfblake...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:44AM -0800 I'm confusing you - I meant to say I want to see the RTs of people WHO DO NOT FOLLOW ME. How do I view those? Zac Bowling <zbowl...@gmail.com> Nov 22 12:54PM -0800 This a twitter developers list. Try twitter on getsatisfaction,com or http://help.twitter.com to contact twitter support. We are the last group to want to hear you scream about how horrible twitter is, and how it's hurting your user experience as an end user trying to game twitter to build your personal brand. Also as third party engineers we are all probably the last to care to be preached at about "twitter elitism". Zac Bowling @zbowling Topic: Kill the new RT feature - it's non-relational chuckblakeman <cfblake...@gmail.com> Nov 22 07:49AM -0800 AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs FROM NON-FOLLOWERS! Unless I'm missing something here, this is the single worst (and only) degradation of service Twitter has ever put in place. A big step backwards for three reasons - 1) It completely ignores the concept of relationship building, 2) it promotes elitist arrogance on Twitter, and 3) it will increase meaningless RTs exponentially - What am I missing here on what's good about this? Ignoring Relationship Building People gravitate toward people they enjoy communicating with - that's how we build friends in any context. One of the main ways I find people I want to meet is that they like what I say, and more often than not, an RT tells me they like what I say, and I do the same for them. To keep me from being able to see people who like what I say removes one of the best ways of building relationships Twitter has. I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build my business. Elitist Arrogance Being annoyed by people retweeting you is like an author being annoyed that people showed up at their book signing - how elitist to turn up your nose at people who like what you say. Gee, sorry about that. This mindset doesn't want to build relationships but just wants to be able to count how many faceless, nameless people RT them - how arrogant is that? Increased Meaningless RT Traffic Before this feature, you actually had to do a little work to RT - copy, paste, put RT in front of it and send. Ouch - that's a lot of work. But that tiny bit of work kept people from senselessly RT'ing just to gain followers - it was too cumbersome to use effectively for spamming. Now by the simple push of a button people will be RT'ing like changing TV channels w/ a remote, and you won't really know if it meant enough to them to put a little effort into building that relationship with you - just stop holding your finger up and let it fall - that really shows a how much that comment meant to you? Summary Twitter started out as a tool to build relationships. It has become less and less personal. This new RT'ing feature reduces your ability to build relationships, plays to the arrogant elite, and makes it easier for people to use RT'ing and 10 different ghost accounts to spam people to death. And this is an upgrade? Hmmm.... not seeing it. Facebook is starting to look good all of a sudden. Duane Roelands <duane.roela...@gmail.com> Nov 22 11:12AM -0800 I lost tack of how many times you contradicted yourself, so I'll just point out the big one. "AT LEAST GIVE ME THE OPTION TO DECIDE FOR MYSELF IF I WANT TO SEE RTs FROM NON-FOLLOWERS!" ...and then... " I NEED to see an RT from people who aren't following me to help me build my business." You didn't have the option to filter retweets from non-followers before. This feature makes that possible for developers to give you that feature in client software. So, this feature makes it POSSIBLE to give you the feature you want when it wasn't possible before. Maybe you want this feature, maybe you don't. I can't tell from your ranting which you want or don't want. But, this change puts more control in the hands of developers and that's a good thing. You may or may not agree with that. You'll probably agree AND disagree in the same response. Julio Biason <julio.bia...@gmail.com> Nov 23 06:26AM +1100 > Ignoring Relationship Building Quite the contrary. If one of my friends retweets someone that I'm not following and it's interesting enough, I'll probably follow the original author. It's a way for your followers to show interesting thoughts and things that they thing THEIR followers will thing it's interesting enough to follow. > Elitist Arrogance As far as I know, you don't see when one of your followers retweets someone you posted. > Increased Meaningless RT Traffic 'Cause all Twitter traffic is meaningful? It can be abused, yes. But EVERYTHING twitter provides in the form of APIs can be abused in a way or another. Mass following/unfollowing, by any chance? > Summary Summary: You don't understand twitter or the new retweet feature. -- Julio Biason <julio.bia...@gmail.com> Twitter: http://twitter.com/juliobiason Topic: Geotagging API JOHN OBRIEN <john.obr...@twangu.com> Nov 22 11:51AM -0500 Raffi - thanks for confirming that only type Point is being leveraged at this time... made my update to TwapperKeeper much easier this morning. Of course, I created a little technical baggage depending on when other types are leveraged.. but will cross that bridge when the time comes. Thanks again, John @jobrieniii http://twapperkeeper.com On Nov 21, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: Topic: Can't post tweets from my server with an account Damdam <damiengui...@gmail.com> Nov 22 03:51AM -0800 Hi there, I have an issue when trying to post a tweet from my server with my personal account (no problem with others). For example, from my Macbook, I tried : curl -u damdam:(password) -d status="" http://twitter.com/statuses/update.xml and I have a correct answer (no status). <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <hash> <request>/statuses/update.xml</request> <error>Client must provide a 'status' parameter with a value.</error> </hash> Good answer :-) Same curl from my sever, but not the same rely: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <hash> <request>/statuses/update.xml</request> <error>Could not authenticate you.</error> </hash> Everything was right, but this happened after my account has been hacked (I changed the password, etc). Could you help me finding what's wrong (IP banned for one account ???) Thanks ! Damien @damdam I'm the developer of boarding.fr (tweet #boarding along with your airport code) and eyetweet.net ;
