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Dear Jon,

I must have seen an early version of Per’s Nagel lecture somewhere. I 
definitely wasn’t at CMU in 2013. It looks like the thing I was looking for. 
I’ll try to cajole some young minds here at TYPES 2023 to formalize the 
lectures.

With kind regards,

Andrej

> On 13 Jun 2023, at 15:50, Jon Sterling <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Dear Andrej,
> 
> I am not completely sure because it is a while since I had watched this, but 
> I think this might be related to the topic of Per Martin-Löf's 2013 Earnest 
> Nagel Lecture “Invariance Under Isomorphism and Definability”, which you can 
> find here: 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/philosophy/events/nagel-lectures/past-lectures.html__;!!IBzWLUs!WXYpkNUV5tYJlVXuiZQI97C8hXEYZVcohkLYzo-pn_4VNL1D6ez6rV1xf8vsge4MN36Af4fD_ieivgawrmCzHwwZ5MXYlZ03oes$
>  . But I don't recall if Per proves the exact theorem you want; it might be a 
> little different, judging from the abstract.
> 
> Best,
> Jon
> 
> 
> On 12 Jun 2023, at 20:56, [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> 
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>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> in preparation for my TYPES 2023 talk I realized I don’t actually know of 
>> anyone having proved the following about MLTT (Σ + Π + Id + Nat).
>> 
>> EQUIVALENCE INVARIANCE: Let P be a well-formed type expression with a type 
>> meta-variable X. If A and B are closed type expressions and e : A ≃ B an 
>> equivalence between them, then the type of equivalences P[A/X] ≃ P[B/X] is 
>> inhabited.
>> 
>> There are many possible variants, of course, and I’d be interested in 
>> learning about any results in this direction, especially ones that don’t 
>> throw in any axioms.
>> 
>> I am vaguely remebering that it has been done for Church’s simple type 
>> theory, which actually sounds, well, simple. Does anyone know a reference?
>> 
>> I think there might have been some work by Bob Harper & Dan Licata 
>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.cs.cmu.edu/*drl/pubs/lh112tt/lh122tt-final.pdf__;fg!!IBzWLUs!Ww4XrFxjdSUVFGjTgD3MToleD85TRwLRGFIy_xjkQqvSw3nuqa9fWxMNxAWYPT5FyS0Rr9hCcWv8p05bA6Xc3ZdFibwiK0ulYns$
>>  ), and another by Nicolas Tabareau & Matthieu Sozeau 
>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://doi.org/10.1145/3236787__;!!IBzWLUs!Ww4XrFxjdSUVFGjTgD3MToleD85TRwLRGFIy_xjkQqvSw3nuqa9fWxMNxAWYPT5FyS0Rr9hCcWv8p05bA6Xc3ZdFibwin1ZSLzI$
>>  ), which cuts thing off at the groupoid level. I am not even sure if they 
>> really prove an analogue of the principle stated above.
>> 
>> But how about pure MLTT, has anyone done it?
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> 
>> Andrej

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