Hi Tom,

On Sat, 24 May 2025 at 15:51, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 03:39:35PM +0100, Simon Glass wrote:
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > On Sat, 24 May 2025 at 15:35, Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > On Sat, 24 May 2025 at 15:31, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 03:22:57PM +0100, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 24 May 2025 at 15:18, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 05:23:48AM +0100, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, 23 May 2025 at 22:25, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 09:20:37PM +0100, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 May 2025 at 17:47, Tom Rini <tr...@konsulko.com> 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 05:32:36PM +0100, Simon Glass wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 23 May 2025 at 15:04, Tom Rini 
> > > > > > > > > > > <tr...@konsulko.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 08:19:30AM -0500, Simon Glass 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is easier for tests if the top-level control logic 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is all in one
> > > > > > > > > > > > > module. Create a new do_patman() function to handle 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > this. Move the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > existing code into it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Simon Glass <s...@chromium.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (no changes since v1)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  tools/patman/__main__.py | 49 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ++----------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  tools/patman/control.py  | 54 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  2 files changed, 54 insertions(+), 49 deletions(-)
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Applied to sjg/master, thanks!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Odd. I thought you had posted this against master or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > next, intending it
> > > > > > > > > > > > for mainline, which is why I assigned it to you in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > patchwork. I see the
> > > > > > > > > > > > cover letter is missing what commit it's against. And 
> > > > > > > > > > > > instead here you
> > > > > > > > > > > > are once again spamming the list and with messages 
> > > > > > > > > > > > about your personal
> > > > > > > > > > > > tree. Why?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm applying it to my tree and intend to send you a PR at 
> > > > > > > > > > > some point,
> > > > > > > > > > > with collected tools/ patches. So I believe I need to 
> > > > > > > > > > > send emails
> > > > > > > > > > > about applying things and update it in patchwork. Let's 
> > > > > > > > > > > discuss this
> > > > > > > > > > > in a future call.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see what there is to discuss. Please follow the 
> > > > > > > > > > normal process
> > > > > > > > > > for mainline and stop spamming the list with notices for 
> > > > > > > > > > your personal
> > > > > > > > > > tree. You're also diverging your own tree further from 
> > > > > > > > > > mainline by doing
> > > > > > > > > > this and making it less likely (multiple people have told 
> > > > > > > > > > you they don't
> > > > > > > > > > want to review things not against mainline) any follow-up 
> > > > > > > > > > work will get
> > > > > > > > > > comments other than that it's not applicable to mainline.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > For patman, I have another series [1] I'm planning to apply 
> > > > > > > > > to my tree tomorrow
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Would you like me to send 'applied' emails for it to the 
> > > > > > > > > mailing list?
> > > > > > > > > Or perhaps just for the cover letter? Would you like me to 
> > > > > > > > > send you a
> > > > > > > > > pull request?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > Simon
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] 
> > > > > > > > > https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/uboot/list/?series=456256
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, that's another series that while I disagree with the 
> > > > > > > > direction
> > > > > > > > you're taking things, would rather apply to mainline than let 
> > > > > > > > it bitrot
> > > > > > > > in mainline. So please send a PR against next. And that would 
> > > > > > > > also apply
> > > > > > > > to the series this email is in reply to. As again, I had 
> > > > > > > > expected it for
> > > > > > > > mainline and not your downstream tree even if I think we (and 
> > > > > > > > our users)
> > > > > > > > would all benefit from managing the python portions differently.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, once I have applied the remaining two series I will send a PR.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Based on the emails in my inbox this morning, you're doing the 
> > > > > > opposite
> > > > > > of what I asked for. But maybe this afternoon will bring something
> > > > > > different.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You didn't express a preference for the 'applied' emails. It seems
> > > > > > > better to send these emails so that there is a record of the patch
> > > > > > > being applied.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess I wasn't clear enough. Stop spamming the list with 
> > > > > > *anything*
> > > > > > about your personal tree. And if you're going to send anything about
> > > > > > something that's intended for mainline, you should make patman act 
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > like b4 and NOT send a message to every patch. I know I used to, 
> > > > > > but the
> > > > > > workflow b4 enables is much better for everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do I (or anyone else) know whether a patch was applied? If you
> > > > > only reply to the cover letter, doesn't that mean that the patches are
> > > > > left 'hanging' in the mailing list?
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't know you had changed your policy on this...it certainly seems
> > > > > odd to me. I often find Heinrich's patches are 'silently' applied, so
> > > > > perhaps he does the same thing?
> > > >
> > > > Every custodian does things as they see fit for mainline, but most are
> > > > adopting b4 which means that no, I'm not sure why there would be
> > > > confusion, or where it would come from. The emails say what the commit
> > > > ranges are for a series, patchwork is updated and then periodically most
> > > > patches in patchwork then get their githash added. Replying to the cover
> > > > letter with the commit range for the series means it's very much not
> > > > "hanging".
> > >
> > > Generally I rely on seeing a reply to a patch to know it was applied.
> > > So it is confusing when the patch goes in but there was no reply to
> > > the patch.
> > >
> > > I've noticed that you seem less inclined to apply some patches from a
> > > series, instead requesting that the whole series is resent. Perhaps
> > > that is why?
> >
> > Also, was there an announcement about this change? If so, could you
> > please point me to it?
>
> I don't see why there would be an announcement? Now, again, please stop
> posting things to the public mailing list about your tree. I'm not the
> only person who has told you it's not helpful.
>
> I mean heck, a big part of the problem is that you keep replying to
> patches you posted for your tree and spamming the rest of the community
> about it. I can't tell if you're acting in bad faith or not anymore.

It's just that I am trying to work with your tree in areas where I'm
not blocked, to minimise the delta.

Most of the patches apply fine to -next . I could perhaps update the
tooling to indicate that. Would that help?

I'm thinking of adding a feature to patman to support multiple
'target' upstreams.

Regards,
Simon

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