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Ron White ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [U2] IBM positioning Linux against Microsoft > Hi > > does any know where I can download a free UniVerse for win32 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ross Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 May 2004 21:26 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] IBM positioning Linux against Microsoft > > > All of us know that a green screen enables people to be much more > productive than a GUI > > -- You need to learn how to write a better GUI. > > Ever head of MVC? The display logic used in an application has nothing > to do with what kind of database you use to store the data. > > Ross Craig > Alaska Diesel Electric > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Gravagno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] IBM positioning Linux against Microsoft > > Whenever I propose that people take their existing apps, do some > marketing, > and make a go of it in the mainstream world, the conversation often > turns > toward "but we need more tools". People want the magic silver bullet > that > will make their procedural code into event-driven, their green screens > into > GUI, and their MV data structures into relational tables. While > integration > with DB2 and other technologies is a good idea, my focus is on the > wealth of > business rules that already exist and are fully usable right where they > are. > > The silver bullet will never come, so people must decide if they are in > business to grow, or if they only want to stay in business long enough > to > retire. IBM is sitting on assets (you guys and your apps) that can be > posititioned now against mainstream offerings if people are actually > willing > to compete at the feature level rather than at the asthetic level. I > understand that Joe Businessman has an average IQ of 23 but "it has to > be > GUI" is not a valid business position. All of us know that a green > screen > enables people to be much more productive than a GUI - GUI has had long > enough to hang itself and to prove that "pretty" is neither fast, nor > does > it imply functional. MV resellers need to stop coming up with excuses > why > their technology won't sell and putting it on someone else to develop > the > "whatever it is" they need to move forward. If GUI is the only thing > stopping an app from going mainstream then there are tools in our market > to > address that issue. I'll be happy to help people migrate their apps to > GUI > and integrate with GUI technologies if that's what it takes, but "GUI" > cannot be the strategy, "GUI" is one tactical step among many. IBM has > solid positioning for those other tactical steps that VARs need to take > in > order to get their apps out there. That is all I'm suggesting - that > IBM > should use its business strength to market and popularize MV technology > and > business apps, not that they should continue with years of development > to > make these apps look like everything else out there. This is a business > initiative, not a technical one. I think Joe Businessman may be ready > for > that. > > Tony > Nebula R&D > > > Do you mean the upcoming upgrade that will 'support' direct > > use of DB2 files instead of Uniwhatever? > > > > Or a conversion of Unibasic/Query/Proc into native mode DB2? > > Roger > > > > > Um, I think IBM calls this an os/400... > > > > > > Face it. If IBM is smart, they won't reinvent the wheel > > > with UniVerse > > > or UniData, they will provide a set of tools that will extract the > > > application and host it on os/400, DB/2 or something else that they > > > have put bucket loads of cash into over the years. > > > Don Kibbey > ------- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users > ------- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users > > The information in this electronic mail message is Confidential and may be legally privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressees. 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