It's a matter of statistics and Board ego -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LeRoi Keiller Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniV erse/U2)
Agreed. Isn't it ironic how employers shouldn't be prejudiced, yet many bluntly refuse to consider candidates who don't have degrees. They even fail to look at students who have technical institute qualifications, despite that technical institutes generally have a more hands-on, real-world approach compared to universities. Perhaps this explains why so many technical institutes are becoming universities. What a strange UniVerse we live in ;o) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 8 September 2004 7:28 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniV erse/U2) Importance: Low The implication is that a degreed candidate is brighter, erudite and, gol-dangit, more likely to get the job done. While we poor, slothful, tongue-tied degree-less programmers, just have to make do with what we have... The problem lies in the inability of the employers to determine whether a candidate would fit into the company prior to hiring. Want to know if a candidate has breadth of knowledge, discuss their reading habits. Want to know if a candidate will persevere talk to them about their work history. I have know programmers with a BS, who couldn't put together an intelligent sentence nor could they explain anything to a user. A few of them could code, though.. On the other hand, I have been trying to come up with intelligent sentences made up of two words... "Hi, there"? "Money Talks"? Don't want to sound like I am jumping on you Gordon, I don't think you really believe things are as black and white as the tone of your email indicates. Degree prejudice is a hot button topic with me. Take care, Bruce Bruce M Neylon Health Care Management Group Gordon Glorfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/07/2004 03:47 PM Please respond to u2-users To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: [OT] [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston (PICK/UniV erse/U2) When an employer requires a degree, it's not the programming training gotten through the school that they are looking for. Rather it's the overall education. I've known some brilliant programmers that could not put 2 words together to form an intelligent sentence. Hand them a spec and they could whip out some amazing code. Ask them to explain an issue to a user and they fail hopelessly. Also, a degree implies a certain level of "stick-to-it-ness" or perseverance. Meaning that the applicant has started and completed a multi-year program of study. A goal was set and met. That is an important trait for some employers. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 [snip] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Adrian Matthews > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 09:41 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [U2] Technical Product Manager opening in Boston > (PICK/UniVerse/U2) > > > I always wonder why people insist on a degree. Surely by the > time you've got the experience to do a job like this the fact > of whether you've got a degree or not is pretty irrelevant. > > [snip] > BS Degree required [snip] This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
