With the discussion of editors coming up again and again I thought I'd post
another note about this mvToolbox software.  I am not selling the software,
nor do I get commission, etc..  I just think it's important for U2
developers to be aware that something this feature-rich is actually
available.

This software allows you to edit code and other items in a half ED/AE mode
and half in a wED mode that AccuTerm users are familiar with.  In another
words, you have character access (like vi, Emacs, etc), but you can also use
the mouse with AccuTerm, wIntegrate, and some other emulators.  This editor
goes MUCH deeper than what we're all familiar with though.  When you do a
find/replace, you can search not only in the current item, but it will drill
into Called code and Includes so that you essentially have access to editing
through the application and not just within a single record/item.  The
editor is best used in a wide-screen format, like 132 columns by 40 lines,
but can go wider - I use two monitors for development and I like to use
tools that take full advantage of the real estate.

The editing abilities of the product just touch the surface.  There are a
great many functions for "finding" things in your code, way beyond finding
plain text strings.  You can find which programs call to others, and where
specific variables are used.  You can click on Gosub and Goto statements to
jump to the related labels, or find all the calls to a given label.  You can
do progressive searches, as in: find all programs that open this file, now
find the ones that read from that file, now find the ones that don't write
into that file...  (At least this is my understanding of how it can be used,
I hope I'm not mis-representing it.)  Once you've found something you can
save lists and come back to them later.  Support for this sort of list
processing is extensive.  The software also includes support for unlimited
backups of items - for versioning/auditing and "oops" recovery.

I don't use the software yet but I have installed it over Unidata and D3 and
have skimmed the surface of its features.  It's got more features than
anyone could ever use, and that might be it's only Achilles' Heal - that
it's just got "too much", like when you go to a restaurant and all they have
is "all you can eat" but you really just want a snack at the moment.  But
when you DO want features, they're in there.  And if you don't know where to
find the features, the software has built-in "GUI-style" Help pages and
they're developing a tutorial and more Help options now.  Support is a quick
phone call or e-mail away, and the developers are anxious to add whatever
features it doesn't have - if you can possibly find one.

When I do get into this, my approach will be to take the software a little
at a time, use it with smaller projects to get familiar with the features
and then progress on to the more sophisticated options.  The good thing is
that this software has the "depth" for this sort of thing - it's not just
another ED/wED/AE/vi/RED tool, and I encourage other developers to at least
take a look and see what I mean.

I'm not qualified to respond to questions about specific features, but if
someone asks a general question I'll comment to the best of my ability.

See http://mvtoolbox.com for real info.

Tony
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Allen E. Elwood wrote:

> With Accuterm and a 19 inch monitor, I run WED with a font size of 10
> and I get 118 wide by 57 long!  All very legible.  :-)  A full screen
> windows interface, with all the standard short cuts, took me a whole
> half an hour to master all the features.....
> 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As an administrator, I do all my programming in ED or vi. I even write
> HTML with vi (vi=vim/gvim in all cases). I grew up on ED and don't
> mind using it. Of course, I never run an 80x24 screen anymore. I'm in
> 80x60 so a 'P' gives me a large window of code.

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