SQL Server is an environment. It has it's own scripting language (T-SQL), and editor/manager (Enterprise Manager), so they are eminently comparable (I don't know why you would need a programming language AND a scripting language). I have not found it to be slower than Unidata in any way, and it is certainly not less flexible (I have found nothing in Unidata that cannot be done in SQL Server). Where SQL Server beats Unidata hands down is support and resources. However, as for usage, I think the differences are mainly cosmetic, depending on what a person is used to. If cost is the main factor, then MySQL, Ingres, or Postgre are all reliable open source db's.
JohnA -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Key Ally Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:46 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [U2] IBM Licensing Requirement - MQ Series] {Unclassified} SQL Server fans, To be fair, UniVerse and UniData aren't just Datastores, they are environments. SQL Server is a starting point. So, if you want to buy SQL server, and buy or freeware a programing language, and buy or freeware a scripting language, and buy or freeware an editor, etc... then you can compare them. Additionally, SQL Server forces you to work exclusively in first normal form, which is slower, creates bloated (comparatively) data storage, and less flexible. U2 is certainly not the cheapest solution, neither is it the most expensive. If cost is the issue, there are databases that are even cheaper than SQL Server. I've used MyBase for some small projects (no cost to redistribute). Still, after 20 years, I find that U2, jBASE, OpenInsight, and all the other multivalues end up cheaper than cobbling together tools that aren't optimized for each other. - Chuck "Been Flat, Didn't Like It" Barouch Bill H. wrote: >Cliff: > > >>With SQL Server, you also need one or two CAL's (Client Access >>Licenses) per named user (not concurrent). Plus I believe the more >>full-featured server versions are more expensive on the server side. >> >> > >A quick look on Google and you'll find an SQL Server Enterprise for $2,000 - >$5,000. This product is very inexpensive. It is an unlimited client/device >licensing model for a defined number of CPUs. > >Here's a pretty good whitepaper from Microsoft about the various costs >associated with SQL Server, Oracle, and DB2. > >http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/0/a/10adfeca-48f4-4d89-949a-04 167d6 >54b40/SQL_UnderstandingDBPricing.doc > >This gives a small example of a price comparison: > >Tier Features Sample Products Price >Free Limited database Microsoft SQL Desktop $ 0 > functionality, Memory Engine (MSDE) > Limits, database size > limits, etc. > >Basic Basic database function- MS SQL Server WkGrp Edition $ 500 - > ality, Basic security Oracle Std Edition One 5,000 > Up to 2 CPUs DB2 Express per CPU > >Std Full database function- MS SQL Server Std Edition $5,000 - > ality, Basic Management Oracle Std Edition 15,000 > Tools, Up to 4 CPUs DB2 WkGrp Edition per CPU > >Enterprise High availability MS SQL Server Enterprise $20,000 - > Scalability Oracle Enterprise 40,000 > High-end mgmt tools DB2 Enterprise per CPU > Enterprise security > No CPU limit > >As you can see a basic dbms access model over the web costs about $500 - >5,000 per CPU ! A full featured standard model costs about $5,000 - 15,000 >per CPU. Of course, Microsoft products can be purchased from other vendors >other than from Microsoft so significant discounts are available. In the >above referenced paper, Microsoft also talks about additional costs such as >support and service packs. Very interesting reading. > > > >>I am confident IBM is well aware of MS SQL and Oracle server >>and client DB licensing models since DB2 plays in the same space. >> >> > >And they've begun playing. I know way too many people using SQL Server in >the small to medium business end of the market to accept the notion that >Microsoft stinks. From what I learned it is excellent software at a great >price. In fact, I've started using it myself for some conversions we're >doing on our application. > >Now all we have to do is get the U2 products priced reasonably and all the >software mvDbms developers have developed over the years can be exposed over >the web. :-) > >Bill > > > >>...Bill H. wrote: >> >> >> >>>If I figure correctly, a hundred webshares cost $150,000 at >>>$1,500 per webshare retail! >>> >>>Let's see...SQL Server unlimited site license (single CPU) >>>for $5,000. Sounds like this is an invitation to get off >>>the U2 products...or do I have this completely miscalculated? >>> >>>Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- from Leroy Dreyfuss >>>> >>>>The answer here is RedBack. It is designed for exactly this >>>>purpose. >>>>We have customers servicing millions of requests per day on >>>>a hundred or less Webshares. >>>> >>>> >------- >u2-users mailing list >u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
