I got my SATA drives on a sale at Fry's (www.outpost.com) after rebate they
were only $60 each for 160GB Western Digital drives.  I had to have my
neighbor go with me, because there was a limit of one, but he didn't mind.
:)

So *really* cheap and very fast.  A great combination, imho, especially
since I'm independent and the only user of the system.  Not even close to
your throughput, but fast enough so that unidata selects on a file with
almost a million records is just whoosh and it's done.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Glen B
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [U2] [OT?] SATA vs SCSI drives


  This totally depends on the chipset manufacturer. A $50 Adaptec SATA card
isn't going to burn a hole in the case. Our Opteron
file-server box is running a 320GB Barracuda RAID 5 on a 64-bit 3ware
controller. It smokes every Adaptec SCSI RAID I have on site
with ~500MB/sec read throughput and near 300MB/sec write over FTP on a 100MB
full-duplex switch. For the best money/speed, SATA RAID
is the way to go. For the overall best in speed, consider a multi-channel
high-end SCSI system. Fiber is definitely the cleanest,
but it's not cheap. A few thousand in drive hardware costing and you'll
probably end up reviewing and comparing SATA again. :P But
hey, if you've got the money, go full-blown 64-bit multi-channel SCSI. Keep
in mind that when a 200GB drive dies on a SATA array,
you're only out $150-200. Compare that with lower capacity 15K RPM SCSI
drives running $400-$600.

Glen

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:54 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [U2] [OT?] SATA vs SCSI drives
>
>
> first of all, i can't give definitive information only information about
our experience with the two different kind of
> i/o subsystems.
>
> We have two identical servers cpu/os but on the test server we have SATA
drives in a no raid configuration
> on the production server we have SCSI in raid 1+0 configuration, and the
speed in database operations is far better on
> the SCSI system than on the SATA system...
> When we test with multiple users and heavy batch run on the SATA system we
have experienced i/o freeze for up to 3
> seconds, on the SCSI system our users can't even detect a heavy batch
run...
>
> I can't imagine you will ever get SCSI performance out of a SATA drive
unless you are on a single user system,
> the primary benefits of a SCSI subsystem lies in its ability to command
tagging and sorting according to drive geometry,
> thus enabling multible users read/write requests to be sorted for best
usage of the drive.
>
> Some of the sorting of i/o commands will be handled by the OS, but to be
fair, SCSI drivers have been under heavy
> scrutiny for best performance for more than a decade, so SCSI drivers will
probably still be somewhat ahead of SATA drivers..
>
> best regards from Denmark
>
> Claus Derlien
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Ferris
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 3:48 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [U2] [OT?] SATA vs SCSI drives
> >
> >
> > Somewhat off topic I know, but does anyone have any definitive
> > information re these 2 technologies?
> >
> > Traditionally I've always used SCSI drives, as many years ago we
> > discovered that although the specs if EIDE looked good on paper, in
> > practice they were sub-optimal.
> >
> > Whilst I could do my own tests (have just installed a
> > Windows/SATA box),
> > I figure others here may have already done the investigation work.
> >
> > FWIW I'd just be looking at a little IBM x306 with RAID level
> > 1 via the
> > integrated RAID SATA - nothing too punishing, only around 50 users
> > (anything more and I'd just feel safer with SCSI), and no
> > external cache
> > to the drive.
> >
> > Once more, on paper I see transfer rates of 1.5Gbs vs 320 on U320 SCSI
> > drives, but slower RPMs on the SATA to the 15K SCSI's, so I'm guessing
> > (know in my gut?) that SCSI makes sense, but ... Any comments from
> > people who have kept more abreast of hardware than I have are welcome
> > :-)
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Ross Ferris
> > Stamina Software
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