Bill; Can't argue much about the 7 character limit on the common names. I'm not sure why it will compile in basictype 'u' and not 'p'. It just seems awfully dangerous to let it compile at all.
We moved a lot of systems from Pick to UniData quite easily. ACCT_RESTORE would even read Pick tapes (AP/pro, AP/Sco, AP/Aix) although quite slowly. We had an AP/Aix box that I used to restore file-save tapes, make sure all of the filenames were upper-cased (made the restore into UniData go much cleaner), and then did a save to a pseudo-floppy - which was a Unix file. Copied the file to the NT box (ftp or SFU) and then did the restore. Worked very quickly. Even had a larger system that I had to put compression on the pseudo-floppy to keep under 2GB and used WinZip to unzip (which was way faster than cygwin). Not sure why you had so much trouble getting UniVerse to dump to a file instead of tape. TCL/ECL is much like every other system (even MS/SQL as I get more exposure to it). I started with Pick, and we use SB+ which requires ecltype 'p' so that is what I use most of the time; however, sometimes I use the lower case commands to get the 'u' type as there can be some power there. With UniData the program files are simple text files. You can use any editor you like on them. Some of my favourites that actually understand the environment: SE (in SB+),. UniDebugger, UniEditor from <http://www.martinscholl.com/html/downloads/UniEditor.html>, U2Logic www.u2logic.com just put out U2Editor. There are a couple that worked in a telnet session - but I think the biggest trouble with them is the terminal emulation. As Mark recently pointed out, working with terminal emulators can be quite painful. There are a couple on www.picksource.com that you may find useful. That being said, there are some handy things in AE that come in handy (especially EV although that's more for data than programming). I don't use UniAdmin much - mainly just the initial config. It seemed to have pretty much everything in it - I just found some of the account/file stuff was a little flakey. There is an area on www.u2ug.org that is for enhancement requests. There is also a committee to help promote these enhancements to IBM. Put out your ideas, get some support, and get them implemented! Colin "not sure why I'm so defensive - but at least I'm not commenting on the weather" Alfke Calgary, Canada ________________________________ From: Bill Haskett Kevin: You're correct that it's pretty easy to work around this problem...yes they're in an include. But, IMHO of course, the analysis that it's "no big deal" is slightly off the mark. When we went from 300 baud to 1200 baud then to 4800 baud then to 9600 baud all of us, well most of us anyway, would refuse to go back! This is the cost of progress. That's the point here. Either other systems have progressed or other mvDbms products have progressed. For U2 to keep up with the front edge of technology some very important deficiencies need to be addressed. Limiting named common labels to seven characters is just one of a numerous list of deficiencies. Now, I'm not saying U2 is a bad product at all. I'm just saying U2 can certainly grow dramatically, if it appeals to new people and development. In order to do this it's got to be easy to use and connect to and relatively inexpensive to develop on. Certainly appealing to other mvDbms users/developers would be a good start. It's difficult to warm up to the U2 products when it's terribly difficult to move data and dictionaries into a U2 environment (re: see the T-DUMP and Fast File Transfers list postings), working at TCL/ECL is like slicing tomatoes with a stone knife, using a line editor is excruciatingly painful, UniAdmin is unstable and doesn't include anywhere near the number of administrative tasks needed, and UniDebugger is a good start but definitely needs improvement. So, following the good advice given by those such as you, I'm changing the labels of the named common from "DtaSecurity_files" to "S_files", etc. :-) Thanks again. The help I get from this list is greatly appreciated. Bill [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------- u2-users mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
