All of this sounds right to me.  I had jumped ship by this time.

Tom Dodds
 

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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2] Differences between UV and UD

Okay,

I have been sucked into this conversation:

>  I would also
> suggest that if the UniData folks were satisfied with PI/PI Open/ 
> UniVerse,
> they would not have gone to the trouble of creating UniData.

The early versions of Unidata were poor cousins to PI/Open (imho).
One of the Unidata engineers sat in our offices many years ago and  
said that their versions of Basic and the query language were based  
directly on the Prime Information manuals. ( They did not have a copy  
of PI in the office while they were working to emulate it.)

My understanding is that Unidata had a database, and was looking for  
an established market that they could enter with it; they chose the  
MV market.

Vmark (which predated Unidata by a number of years, I believe) saw an  
opportunity to move the MV market from Reality and Primos to Unix,  
which they correctly perceived as supplanting the existing  
proprietary minicomputers of the time.  It took several years after  
Vmark released Universe for Prime to release their (excellent) Unix  
version of Prime-Information.

Prime failed for familiar reasons:  Their development and marketing  
structure was based on the high-margins of proprietary systems, and  
they were the target of a prolonged hostile takeover attempt, which  
dissuaded customers from updating their equipment and cost the  
company the farm.  In retrospect, Unix had probably doomed them; I  
doubt that they could have shifted their structure fast enough to be  
successful with it.
:-)
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