Mark I'm sorry I have take issue with you here.
MV does not 'look like DOS'. Only MV apps used by companies too lazy to migrate to modern front ends or people so immersed in the past 40 years of PICK that they've never kept their skills aligned with the modern world. Frankly I haven't written a green screen MV application in the last 15 years. There has been no reason to. Ever since UO came on the market, it gave us a way to write client/server and distributed software based on functionality and using an RPC architecture (ie. External Basic subroutine calls) instead of the dumb datasets needed by other databases. The real benefits of the MV model are the benefits of having a function-based business tier that works superbly - via UniObjects - with current presentation tiers like .NET and needs no artificially divorced data access layer. Look at what is happening in the rest of the market. Ever more buzzword-centric attempts to solve a problem that the mainstream database world has never solved: how to organize a data driven recordset-based model into a streamlined and functionally rich business tier. Recordsets are just by their nature inefficient, the locking/merge mechanisms difficult and the wrappers - however good a job .NET may make of automating them - convoluted and burdensome. In .NET2 the presentation layer binds objects, not just data. A real life business tier should be object and functionality based, not data driven. And that is always where U2 has been strongest. Once again, U2 was way ahead and nobody noticed. Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MAJ > Programming > Sent: 12 May 2007 01:06 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board) > > I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any college courses for MV. > > I have 2 kids, aged 20 & 17. When the 20 yr old was in 7th > grade (7 years > ago) they were exposed to Microsoft Office items like Word, > Excel, PowerPoint, Publisher and even Access. Likewise for > the 17 yr old more recently. > > From that point forward, the kids are incredibly immersed in > everything GUI/windows/internet. The endless hours of IMing, > downloading, surfing and everything else GUI seems to point > forward in the right direction. > > Thus, imagine a college student considering such courses as > Cisco Certification, MCSE and other highly visible entities > also considering an MV course if it were offered. Upon the > first day they would quickly drop the course as MV offers > neither an entertainable/WYSIWYG environment, a familiar data > structure (to those weened on everything MS), a practical > purpose for the individual nor any seemingly useful > employment opportunities. > > Sorry for the dark cloud but I can't imagine even the most > purposeful young adult considering MV. I teach the Computer > merit badge in the Boy Scouts and even that course outline is > heavily MS. I even took the brightest kid in my class, a > senior at a local High-Tech (Gifted & Talented) high school > and fired up one of my D3 systems to show him how I make a living. > > I spent way too much time trying to make analogies in MV to > what I know he knows about MS Access. This kid is Cisco > Certified from his school and capable of understanding the MV > model. But since it was different, it was an uphill battle to > illustrate some of its superior features. > > I saw the look in his eyes that he was being polite in > letting me speak but he was clearly not interested in > something that looks like DOS. While I know that there are > many 4GL's and GUI overlays for MV, it still is a huge amount > of command-line stuff. > > We are the best kept secret in the computer business. > Virtually zero people have heard of Pick, MV or any of the > old or present flavors. Yes, everyone's heard of IBM but > that's about it. Honeywell makes air conditioners, Mcdonnel > Douglass makes airplanes and Sanyo makes consumer electronics. > > I believe there is a delicate balance between proficient MV > programmers and MV environments. The newer MV programmers may > have gotten thrust into supporting a MV environment when > their employers added that slight responsibility to their > otherwise IT (network/Ms/unix) list. > > I'm sure actual mileage may differ but not by much. I'm glad > I'm an independent programmer as a few of my full-time MV > programmer acquaintenances are now looking at their MV jobs > disappearing with each MV system being replaced. Hopefully > they are professionally versed in other environments as I am > endeavouring as well. > > My 3 cents > Mark Johnson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Barouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 11:24 AM > Subject: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board) > > > > Dawn, > > What I really need is your plenty potent Professorial > powers to > > get more colleges willing to teach the course once we have > the textbook read. > > - Chuck > > > > Dawn Wolthuis wrote: > > > Very cool, Chuck. If you need a reader, you know where I live... > > > (and if it happens to be one that someone else started, then I've > > > already read some if it) > > > > > > cheers! --dawn > > > > > > -- > > > > Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 > > P. O. 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