By toy it means that it has less credibility? Please explain. I'll borrow a video reference that endorses both sides of the unix/MS desktop debate. In the 1970's, Sony invented the Beta format for video tape and Panasonic (et al) invented the VHS (Video Home System). VHS won the popularity contest yet all along Beta was the better technology. (Oddly enough, the Beta format (later BetaCam SP) was one of the last significant analog tape formats before digital taping came along.)
I don't argue the stability or anything supporting the use of unix as a desktop OS. But in this case, it loses if it cannot use Accuterm. My 1 cent Mark Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen E. Elwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > This is exactly what people used to say about windows. It was just a 'toy'. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MAJ Programming > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 11:18 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > When people purposely choose to not follow what's popular, there are certain > risks involved. > > Not having Windows desktops on the client side causes a severe reduction in > available software. There is no business argument endorsing $0.00 for gvim > versus $20 for Accuterm when it closes the door on incredible productivity > tools like WED. > > We MV people have chosen to NOT follow the traditional SQL-based family of > databases. That's our choice. To go to a non-popular desktop that you have > just causes a continuous hunt for open-source/freeware with all of the > unsupported languages and techniques. > > I'm not pro-corporate (Big Blue, IBM, MS etc) in this regard and just follow > the trends like uninformed sheep. But the situation you describe will only > get worse as everyone depends on their peers for advanced products instead > of those that are capable of delivering (and supporting) their products. > > I'd be hard pressed to find someone as fully well versed in all things MV > AND Microsoft as Peter Schellenbach. He probably looked at the unix DESKTOP > and from a business sense concluded that these 'do it yourselfers' (No > flames please) won't spend money on a 'nix variant of Accuterm so why > bother. > > Don't you unix guys have MS emulators in your world of freeware that > Accuterm could run on? > > You get what you pay for. > Mark Johnson > > Tony: keep your flames on me limited to this topic of the editor and none > others. Thanks in advance. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 12:40 PM > Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > My point is that my workstation is running Linux (PCLinuxOS, for the > > curious), as was pointed out, and accuterm doesn't port to *nixes. Our > > server is AIX. I've put gvim on it since it's free. We don't have deep > > pockets to be paying much for emulators. I have a product installed called > > jtelnet which is open-source/free and is called from any java-enabled > > browser. Works very nicely for our account reps and support engineers. I > > know that's off the topic of EDitors, but it's all related dollar-wise. > > > > Karl > > > > <quote who="Bertrand, Ron"> > > > Do not know about Unidata but you can get to any unix directory/file > with > > > pointers in Universe. Then you can use either ED or WED and so on. I > have > > > to admit to being spoiled by accuterms WED. > > > > > > Ron Bertrand > > > Group Health > > > LIS/ISD > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Fri 10/12/2007 9:30 PM > > > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > Subject: Re: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what good is that for those of us who live on Unix/Linux and don't > > > have the option of running Accuterm? > > > > > > I use gvim, which has pretty good syntax highlighting, > > > copy/move/find-replace, etc. I prefer it to ED. I've never used AE. > > > > > > I guess it's time to do some experimenting with other technologies. > > > > > > OH, and just for fun, consider this: I write my HTML code with gvim or > > > vim, period... > > > > > > Old School or just stubborn? hmmm. > > > > > > Karl > > > > > > <quote who="MAJ Programming"> > > >> <Shameless plug for Accuterm> > > >> > > >> If you haven't used WED, their Windows EDitor, you're missing a ton of > > >> helpful editor stuff. All of the shortcuts and command-line tricks pale > > >> by > > >> comparison. > > >> > > >> Funny, how everybody talks about the latest XYZ alphabetic technologies > > >> yet > > >> still use an editor barely better than vi or EDLIN. And don't let your > > >> years > > >> of experience sway you to protecting that fingertip editor. I've been > > >> using > > >> the regular EDIT, AE or vi coming up on 30 years and WED blows them all > > >> away. (this ain't a contest) > > >> > > >> WED alone without their graphical developer tools (GED) or their > > >> powerful > > >> emulator is worth the price. Accuterm is truly one of the best bargains > > >> in > > >> the MV world. > > >> > > >> </Shameless plug for Accuterm> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Jerry Banker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > > >> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:21 AM > > >> Subject: RE: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > >> > > >> > > >>> I created a pre-store, a few years back, that does something similar > > >>> thing in the regular editor. I think we were still on UV 7.4 at the > > >>> time. > > >>> >ED &ED& FIB > > >>> 6 lines long. > > >>> > > >>> ----: P > > >>> 0001: EPre-stored Command saved at 16:50:53 24 JUN 1998 > > >>> 0002: FORMAT > > >>> 0003: SAVE > > >>> 0004: XEQ DECATALOG @FILE @ID > > >>> 0005: XEQ BASIC @FILE @ID > > >>> 0006: XEQ CATALOG @FILE @ID > > >>> Bottom at line 6. > > >>> > > >>> So when in the regular editor all you have to do is type in: .X FIB > > >>> Which is a few more key strokes but less than all of the commands. > > >>> I didn't want to do the run because most of the development at the > time > > >>> was done on a live system. But you could add: XEQ @FILE @ID or XEQ @ID > > >>> after the last line and save it as FIBR to do as you are doing. > > >>> Jerry > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Baker Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 8:40 AM > > >>> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > >>> Subject: [U2] Over-coming EDitor shortcomings > > >>> > > >>> </snip> > > >>> FIX > > >>> 0001 PA > > >>> 0002 FORMAT BP <<I2,Enter BP item>> > > >>> 0003 ED BP <<I2,Enter BP item>> > > >>> 0004 HUSH ON > > >>> 0005 DELETE BP.O <<I2,Enter BP item>> > > >>> 0006 HUSH OFF > > >>> 0007 BASIC BP <<I2,Enter BP item>> > > >>> > > >>> My 2 bits on this topic. > > >>> > > >>> Karl > > >>> > > >>> <snip\> > > >>> > > >>> Which is why I like the AE [alternate] editor. > > >>> > > >>> Once you've executed a format command in your logon session, you > simply > > >>> type 'FOR' at any time the rest of the day, in any edit session, to > > >>> format with the same parameters. > > >>> > > >>> FOR -I3 -M3 [Indention of 3, margin of 3] > > >>> > > >>> BTW, If you're chasing a pesky bug that's hidden in a 14 tier nested > > >>> LOOP,IF,CASE,Whatever then use this: > > >>> 'FOR -TRACE' it will put pipes in for you where we used to draw lines > > >>> with our ruler to trace the logical flow. > > >>> > > >>> Then when your done and want to compile: > > >>> > > >>> 'FIBR' will file it, compile it, and run it [don't get to habitual > with > > >>> the 'R' if your in a sub]. > > >>> > > >>> The AE invoked compiler removes the old source when it starts, that > way > > >>> if the compile produces no object, it doesn't run the old object code. > > >>> At least this is the behavior on UV 10 or higher. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> 356: > > >>> 357: IF HOLD # '' AND NOT(ALARM) THEN > > >>> *--: FOR -I3 -M3 > > >>> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase > > >>> !!!!!! > > >>> *--: FOR > > >>> Margin=3, Indentation=3, -incase > > >>> !!!!!! > > >>> *--: FIB > > >>> Filed "DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675" in file "BHB". > > >>> Compiling: Source = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675', > > >>> Object = '/system1/dev.programs/BHB.O/DOE.WRITE.SUB.F1675' > > >>> > ************************************************************************ > > >>> *********************** > > >>> 000671 > > >>> > > >>> Compilation Complete. > > >>> > > >>> Of course, you could stack the FORmat command and the FIBR command > into > > >>> a saved prestore that you recall when you begin your edit session, but > > >>> that's another subject. > > >>> > > >>> FWIW, > > >>> -Baker > > >>> ------- > > >>> u2-users mailing list > > >>> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > >>> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > >>> ------- > > >>> u2-users mailing list > > >>> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > >>> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > >> ------- > > >> u2-users mailing list > > >> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > >> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Karl Pearson > > > Director of I.T. > > > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.atsindustrial.com <http://www.atsindustrial.com/> > > > 800-789-9300 x29 > > > Local: 801-978-4429 > > > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > > > > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > > > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > > > ------- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > ------- > > > u2-users mailing list > > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > Karl Pearson > > Director of I.T. > > ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.atsindustrial.com > > 800-789-9300 x29 > > Local: 801-978-4429 > > Fax: 801-972-3888 > > > > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > > ------- > > u2-users mailing list > > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > ------- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ------- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
