Hi,

Thanks Susan for the resume of the method.

>From IBM U2U UK, I read announcement for new "Rapid Triggers" on Universe 10.3 
>(or 11) ;
I receive no specs but I hope the new implementation consider theses stuffs. 

Regards.
Manu.

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> Envoyi : mardi 2 dicembre 2008 14:16
> @ : [email protected]
> Objet : Re: [U2] Universe triggers (still more)
> 
> Thanks to the folks who gave me info on Unidata triggers.  I've had
> those
> implemented for years and they do work very simply and well.  Universe
> has
> been a whole different ballgame.
> 
> It turns out that Universe has cleverly adapted the triggers from SQL.
> I
> say cleverly because it probably really is on some esoteric
> mathematical
> level.  And certain from a viewpoint of 'using what you have'. But for
> an
> old Pickie like me it has been very foreign.  Also they have made use
> of the
> Begin Transaction business - so that the writes can be rolled back
> using
> that existing logic, I reckon.  Again, good re-use. But this is also an
> area
> that I'm not familiar with.
> 
> The three problems that I had were with:
> 1) The SB+ COMMON block - this was resolved by adding $OPTIONS PICK to
> the
> trigger program - and to all the programs down the line that it called.
> 
> 2) WRITES requiring locks: The Begin Transaction relies on a system
> variable
> called ISOMODE which can be set to 0,1 or 2 to control how rigorous the
> locking requirements are - as part of the 'transaction/rollback' stuff.
> I
> was able to get my programs working by making sure I had a READU before
> each
> WRITE (which I didn't have in some cases - where I had decided in my
> own
> wisdom that it was safe not to do it - audit logs, new items, etc.) but
> I
> can't get into the SB+ code and the authors thereof were also of this
> same
> wisdom.  But it turned out that by using Uniadmin to set ISOMODE to 0,
> this
> problem was alleviated.
> 
> 3) Last, I wanted to be able to control whether the write should occur.
> I
> can do it - the manual was not clear on the syntax and I kept thinking
> there
> was something more, but apparently as long as I put:
> DUMMY = SetDiagnostics("This message is about why the item cannot be
> written"), the trigger will fail the write and display that message. I
> don't
> display that message, I don't use the variable DUMMY, I don't set any
> particular flag.  The display and the failure to write is not pretty.
> 
> 4) One thing I cannot overcome is that the triggers in Universe will
> not
> permit any interaction.  So my program can't explain to the user why it
> doesn't think they should write and then allow them to make a decision.
> It
> throws them back into their item, though, so I guess they can save the
> item
> somewhere else or something from there.
> 
> Again, thanks to Manu in particular who has obviously fought the exact
> same
> battle - and to those of you who offered up the "how to" in Unidata.
> You
> are so lucky you are doing it in Unidata!
> 
> Hope this helps someone else, some day.
> 
> Susan Joslyn
> SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.
> PRC(r) Complete software development life-cycle management for U2.
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