Will: Thanks very much for the link. My numbers by memory where a bit off, it's even worse than I had remembered!
Harold -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [Suspected Spam] Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/157058/sap_project_costs_c ited_in_jewelers_bankruptcy_filing.html -----Original Message----- From: Oaks, Harold <harold.o...@clark.wa.gov> To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 2:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL It was a Company in Portland Oregon, here where I live. The "Shane ompany", a jeweler. Used to run a lot of local radio ads, then the ads uddenly stopped. Turns out they went bankrupt. In bankruptcy roceedings they mainly blamed the costs incurred by the SAP system rought in to replace their in-house customized Universe-based system. he SAP implementation was supposed to cost $8 million, but costs were ear $19 million when the company went out of business. I the ankruptcy proceedings the company mainly blamed the SAP implementation. fter bankruptcy they resurfaced, which we know as the radio ads came ack on a few months ago after being off about a year. However - the ds have stopped again. Perhaps they are just saving advertising ollars for now? Or is it worse? But what really burns me up: I did a google search on this very thing 2 ays ago and came across a blogger who was defending SAP, his deal was hat the install failure was Shane Company's upper management's fault. rrrr!!! If any company agrees to pay $8 MILLION dollars for a system, he vendor had better provide all the help needed to get the system up nd running successfully or that vendor has failed. How about you MV providers, do you ever help the customers do an nstallation? Or do you take the money and let 'em do the best they an? And if they fail, it's their fault?? I'm just rehashing what I've read. I'd really like to hear from one of he programmers or analysts that worked for the Shane Company when all his happened. Are you out there? An even more damaging a story, if possible, is the implementation of SAP o serve the City of Portland (once again, my home city, but this time t involves my tax dollars). I don't know too many details except that t was supposed to unify 19 separate systems into one, and mplementation was to cost about $20 million (already outrageous), but ne attempt under an outside SAP implementation specialist failed, a econd implementer hired from way out of town also failed, finally SAP hemselves came in (where were they all this time?) and it seems finally ot the job done. Cost at this point: almost FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS actually about 48.6 million, but what's an extra 1.4 million dollars?) recently asked a high-up analyst in the police department how the SAP mplementation was doing, and they said, "Oh - OK I guess - there are till some problems." Thanks for listening- arold Oaks r. PA lark County, WA -----Original Message----- rom: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Horacio ellegrino ent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 12:16 PM o: U2 Users List ubject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL I remember a company that went bankrupt because they spent so much in AP ( r was it Oracle? ) It was in the news. Anybody? HP On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com>wrote: > I have only seen SAP implementations from a bit of a distance and through reading stories, but in every case, my understanding was that those in charge of the project were gone before SAP went live. I have seen systems analysts and programmers survive the project, with plenty of stories once they do. It sounds like a really brutal ERP installation. I have not kept current on this front enough to know that people were still selecting it, although a whole lot of people are still maintaining it. Best wishes, Scott, and thanks for taking the time to write up your notes regarding some of those in the industry who have helped you. Cheers! --dawn On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Holt, Jake <jh...@samsill.com> wrote: > I thought no one actually ever finished implementing SAP? > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of ggch...@comcast.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:31 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL > > > > Don't worry, we're not going to implement anything that's going to o damage. Well, unless you call the outrageous cost a damage :) > > > > Any thoughts on the CONCURRENT option? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Wjhonson" <wjhon...@aol.com> > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:14:19 PM > Subject: Re: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL > > > Well you used to be. After SAP sucks ten years out of the life of our company, we'll see > > > > << I am being moved to our corporate office to join a eam of 10 who ill be learning, configuring, and customizing SAP to meet the eeds of the est wine and spirits distribution company in the world. Ok, I'm > little partial... >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: iggchamp <iggch...@comcast.net> > To: U2 Users List <u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org> > Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 11:11 am > Subject: [U2] File Sizing using concurrent option AND FAREWELL > > > > Hi All, > > uv 10.2.7 / hpux 11.11 > > First things first (skip this section if you don't care for oodbyes)... > > > I wanted to say thanks to all of the contributors to this list. I ave learned > tremendous amount from all of you. The passion that many of you ave for your ork is really inspiring. I am being moved to our corporate ffice to join a eam of 10 who will be learning, configuring, and customizing AP to meet the eeds of the best wine and spirits distribution company in he world. Ok, I'm > little partial... All of you deserve a great deal of credit for y pportunity as you have all contributed to the things that I've been ble to ccomplish with my current system. Without the great system that we ere in llinois have developed, I'm sure that noone would trust in my bilities to eliver in a different environment. > > > > > > > blockquote> > > special thanks to a couple of people I have been blessed to work directly ith. I cannot recommend their services enough! > /blockquote> > > > blockquote> > > > ony Gravagno ( http://www.nebula-rnd.com/ ): When each division of WS was > sked to provide a web service that would interface our sales force automation > nits to our business systems, I was terrified. I had never had the opportunity > o work with web technology and, based on a heavy workload, did not ave the > ime to dive in at that time. I did take the web developer that niverse > ffered for a spin. Pretty cool tool. While I was able to develop a eb > ervice that could work had I set the requirements myself, I could ot get it to > eet the requirements that corporate was developed. I even worked ith one of > he IBM engineers and he could not get it done. Keep in mind that I ave always > elieved in my abilities to provide solid solutions using the tools hat we have > n the multivalue world. It killed me to have to bring in a resource from the > utside. I swallowed my pride and turned to Tony. I was amazed at he > ncredible service that he provided. He developed a service for me hat has > een rock solid. I am still amazed that I have never had to revisit t after > ears of pounding by our sales force. This is plug, play, and forget about it > t its best! Not only that but our web service which provides ncredibly > owerful and complicated pricing blows the web service developed on ur > orporate as400 system out of the water from a performance tandpoint. Thanks > ony, you've made me look a lot better than I really am :) > /blockquote> > > > > eff Fitzerald ( http://www.fitzlong.com/ ): Your write-ups on file performance > ave really helped me to ensure that our system is always operating t a high > evel. I wish I could get everyone around here to read it. I was lso > ortunate enough to have been allowed to use your file maintenance product - > AST. I can't tell you how much time that this saved me. When I irst arrived > t this company, all the files were dynamic. I made the mistake of converting > hem all to static because I believed the performance was much etter. I was > ight and the system was screaming. The reason I use "mistake" is hat it > brought me into a whole new world of ensuring the thousands of files used by > he application continued to perform by spending all my weekends izing. Yuck! > y allowing me to break away from managing the monster that I had reated by > sing your product, I had my weekends free again. Yay! Not only hat, your > roduct was doing a much better job than I ever did. Unfortunately, budgets > ere cut and I could no longer continue to use it. Thanks Jeff, ou helped me > o spend my time moving the company forward by developing great tools rather > han maintaining files. > /blockquote> > > > ILE SIZING question: > > As mentioned, I'm moving on. Before leaving I'm trying my best to ase the > urden on my friends here in Illinois by automating many of the hings that I > ever got around to doing for myself . That being said, I put ogether a > outine that will analyze our files and resize as necessary. It's retty slick > ut not near the software offered by fitzlong.com - refer to previous section. > > I would like to set it up to execute from cron so that noone has to babysit. > eing the scaredy cat that I am, I've always phantomed off the rocess and > onitored over the weekend to ensure that noone is accessing the iles in > uestion. I put the CONCURRENT option in there as a safeguard but ever really > rusted it enough to turn the program loose without policing. > > My questions regarding CONCURRENT are these: > 1. Is the option trustworthy enough to use on a live system hile users > re possibly accessing the files? > 2. Are there any sort of performance issues? In other words, ould a file > hat takes 2 hours to size take 8 hours to size while users are accessing? The > outine keeps a history of various statistics including how much time t took to > o its business. > 3. Does it slow the application that is accessing the file? > 4. Any other considerations? > > > hanks in advance for your response and for all of the tremendous elp that > ou've all been over the years. > > Scott Thompson > ______________________________________________ > 2-Users mailing list > 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org > ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > _______________________________________________ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. 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