More on the law, with apologies if the interest in these matters is slight.

A number of further examples that are designed to show, I think, how "legal 
reasoning" may be advanced by differing formal methods have been 
offered.  I don't think they show that.  Rather, they demonstrate as I 
previously suggested that the arguments among different approaches to 
ambiguity and uncertainty don't have obvious implications for the 
law.  Some of them also demonstrate a lack of understanding of how the law 
operates.  A few brief comments on the examples:


> >             A simple example which clarifies the difference is one that
> > I used before.  If Robert is half- German and half- French, and I say
> > that Robert is German, then what I say is half-true, with no uncertainty
> > involved.  On the other hand, if I am not sure whether Robert is German
> > or not German, then the probability that he is German may be 0.5.  In
> > the first case, we have partial truth and no uncertainty ,while in the
> > second case we have partial certainty of full truth.

A.  If Robert is half-German and half-French, whether he is one or the 
other depends on the purpose for which the question is asked.  That, in 
turns, depends on substantive law.  If Germany or France has a statute that 
makes a person a citizen if they are "half" one or the other, then for 
purposes of German law Robert is German and for purposes of French law here 
is French.  And so on.  Suppose the statute of either state was ambiguous, 
so that it wasn't clear on its face what the definition of citizenship 
is.  This might appear to generate an interesting question about "partial 
truth" and so on, but it doesn't.  If faced with the question whether 
Robert is German, given the ambiguous German statute, the ambiguity will be 
solved by reference to substantive criteria concerning such things as 
legislative intent, statutory purpose, canons of construction, social 
objectives, and the like.  No court in the United States at least (and 
actually I am only making claims about US courts) would consult any formal 
probability or mathematical theory to resolve such a case.  There are many 
works on legal process and statutory interpretations, and I would be happy 
to provide the standard canon for anyone who would like to see them.  One 
will see in them many interesting points, but one of them will not be that 
substantive determinations about the meaning of law should be determined by 
reference to differing conceptions of uncertainty and ambiguity.

B.  If we consider uncertainty, we reach an analogous conclusion.  It may 
be uncertain whether Robert is German or French.  Here the law provides 
rules for decision under uncertainty.  Here there may be some scope to 
argue that the nature of that uncertainty is better captured by one formal 
approach over another, but there are no practical consequences to doing so 
(not to diminish the achievement in other respects).  To take just a simple 
example, in the US civil litigation is designed to affect errors in one way 
or another. That, again, is a substantive determination that is independent 
of how probability is conceived.  No matter how it is conceived, the same 
error rule will be applied, making the probability debate 
epiphenomenal.  Here, by the way, standard probability theory has a decided 
advantage over fuzzy sets in its ability to articulate clearly the 
consequences of different choices.  Before an even remotely plausible 
argument for fuzzy sets could be sustained in this context, the decision 
rule that would optimize social interests would have to constructed that 
has the same formal properties with respect to errors as the .5 rule 
understood as a conventional probability. Perhaps fuzzy set theorists have 
worked this out, and I would be glad to learn of it.  Nonetheless, at the 
end of the day, it is the errors that matter rather than the 
characterization of the nature of uncertainty.


> >
> >             In the realm of law and legal reasoning, most assertions are
> > both  partially true and partially certain.
> >
> >             l.  The tall Swedes problem:  Most Swedes are tall. What is
> > the average height of Swedes?
> >
> >             2.  Usually it is not very cold ,and usually it is not very
> > hot in Berkeley. What is the average temperature in Berkeley?


The two questions above demonstrate precisely the misunderstanding about 
the nature of legal processes that I referred to in my earlier email.  If 
either of these questions mattered, they would be resolved through 
investigation.  And, interestingly, a quick google search yielded answers 
to both.  The point, which obviously I failed to make clear previously, is 
that legal processes are not formal processes that are stuck with the first 
articulation of a problem.  They are organic processes that can respond in 
various ways, and in these two by finding out the answer or doing the 
primary research necessary to find out the answer (if it is not preexist 
the question).


> >
> >             3.  The Robert example: Usually Robert returns  from work at
> > about 6 pm. What is the probability that Robert is home at about 6 :l5 pm?

When? Always?  Generally? A particular day?  Why does it matter?  Again, 
this question simply reflects a misunderstanding of litigation.  The answer 
above more or less applies here.  The difference would be in the nature of 
the investigation.


> >
> >             4.  The balls- in- box problem:  A box contains about 20
> > black and white balls.  Most are black. There are several times as many
> > black balls as white balls. What is the probability that a ball drawn at
> > random is white?

Again, what difference does it make?  without knowing that, one can make 
nothing of this hypothetical.  And are we talking about a sequence or a 
single event?  Were there witnesses, etc., etc., etc.  Most generally, if 
the question is whether a plaintiff has proved that the ball is white under 
these circumstances, where that is what he must prove, the answer is 
plainly no if this is all the evidence there is.   It is more controversial 
if the same answer is yes if he has to prove the drawn ball is black, but 
that is almost surely the correct answer.  Whether it is or not has to do, 
again, with how one conceives the purposes of the system of litigation, and 
the incentives, generally speaking, that one wants to create for the 
production of information at trial. None of that will be affected by 
resolving debates over various ways to characterize this problem.

Best regards to all.



Ronald J. Allen
Wigmore Professor of Law
Northwestern University
Phone:  312-503-8372
Fax:    312-503-2035


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