So basically, the AC standard doesn't support anything beyond N in 2.4ghz, but there are chipsets out there that added the useful stuff anyway... that makes sense.
________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:34 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs A.1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz11n1> 802.11ac only specifies operation in the 5 GHz band. Operation in the 2.4 GHz band is specified by 802.11n. B.1<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM1> 2<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM2> 3<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#ref_24GHz256QAM3> With 802.11n, 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band can be achieved by using four spatial streams at 150 Mbit/s each. As of September 2014, commercially available devices that achieve 600 Mbit/s in the 2.4 GHz band use 3 spatial streams at 200 Mbit/s each.[8]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac2350-8>[9]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9> This requires the use of 256-QAM modulation, which is not compliant with 802.11n and can be considered a proprietary extension.[9]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#cite_note-ac1900-9> ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:19:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Maybe during initial production, but the ac protocol covers the 2.4 band. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: I thought AC chipsets were 5ghz only... is that not that case? ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:49 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Use a channel size appropriate for the environment? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org<mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs And please tell me how 2.4 AC can work in the limited spectrum without wiping out/degrading things for other users. Or do we just not care about others any more? From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:31 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Also in the works, but 5GHz is highest priority out of gate... On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Steve Barnes <st...@pcswin.com<mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> wrote: +1000 Steve Barnes PCSWIN.com From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Some of us need 2.4ghz... there's no way we could get to at least half our customers with 5ghz only... AirPrism in 2.4ghz would be a nice start. ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com> [j...@spitwspots.com<mailto:j...@spitwspots.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:24 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ac is only designed around 5ghz. What's it with you and 2ghz? :) On December 9, 2014 1:15:29 PM AKST, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: The ac stuff is 5 GHz only? I'm still kind of cautious as the old NS didn't work too well on Airmax APs (RM2 for example). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: Well, an NSM2 wouldn't since AC doesn't come in the M2 variety... but I assume you meant NSM5, which according to what been just said should work fine. ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 4:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs So NSM2 and Nanobeam-400 will work with the new 802.11ac Rockets, correct? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Ben Moore <ben.mo...@ubnt.com<mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> wrote: 11n CPE's will have ability to work with 11AC AP's...This will allow you to transition a tower. Note that 11ac speeds will not be as good as 100% AC network, but 11ac CPE's that you deploy will still be better than 11n. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: That's what I've been assuming too... Ben, can you tell us whether it's going to be backwards compatibility added to the AC series, or forward compatibility added to the M series? ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 2:36 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs I'm guessing it'll be like M series vs. legacy. Eventually V6 will be the M-series connection to the AC. I'm guessing... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Steve Barnes" <st...@pcswin.com<mailto:st...@pcswin.com>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 2:16:24 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Ben, I asked before but haven’t gotten word, can you speak to the Backwards compatibility of the new units? Steven Barnes GM PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] On Behalf Of Ben Moore Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:14 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Yes, difference is airprism...and the fact that this one is PTP locked (the lite will do both PTMP and PTP). On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: Yes, the spectrum analyzer is quite nice... even if the only Rocket I have that it works on is sitting on my desk. :p So is the only difference with this new Rocket AirPrism, or are there other changes as well? ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Ben Moore [ben.mo...@ubnt.com<mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:27 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs ;-) I think you guys will really like the new SW tools being added (especially the persistent spectrum analyzer...lots that can be done with that). Will send out some details shortly on PTMP networks in the wild ;) On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: ha.... I just Rocket and PowerBeam and assumed they were the same ones. I guess I should actually read stuff. This is what happens when you don't make new stuff look different :p ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:22 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs Oh, so the non-Lite Rocket. Sorry. The e-mail didn't really make it clear that there were new things, just the same platform hype we had 14 months ago. I didn't read it all, just skimmed it because it didn't look any different. Ooooohhh, so the PtMP works now with the new software? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> ________________________________ From: "Ben Moore" <ben.mo...@ubnt.com<mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com>> To: "Ubiquiti Users Group" <ubnt_users@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org>> Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 1:20:19 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs The 3 new products announced today: R5AC-PTP - Rocket w/AirPrism, PTP only NBE-5AC-19 - 19dB NanoBeam PBE-5AC-620 - 620mm PowerBeam Also, all of the software updates: http://www.ubnt.com/broadband/software/ Some highlights: - Dedicated spectrum analysis (persistent) - CINR (Carrier to Interference and Noise Ratio - accurate assessment of channel conditions - New diagnostic tools (Ethernet Cabling test, RF Diagnostics, etc...) - PTMP enabled on R5AC-LITE The R5AC-PTMP (AirPrism AP) will be announced shortly. Thanks, Ben On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Mathew Howard <mat...@litewire.net<mailto:mat...@litewire.net>> wrote: We have a couple of links up... I haven't really seen any problems with them. I think the NanoBeam AC might be new... at least I hadn't seen it before, but otherwise, no, nothing new. ________________________________ From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org> [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org>] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net<mailto:wispaubntus...@ics-il.net>] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 1:07 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: [Ubnt_users] Rocket ACs For those of you that have them... are they working well? Was there anything new in their announcement today? 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