>----Messaggio originale---- >Dal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Data: 01/12/2006 8.53 >A: <[email protected]> >Ogg: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 > >Send ubuntu-art mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-art digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Mirco M?ller) > 2. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Troy James Sobotka) > 3. Re: ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24 (Alberto Pompa) > 4. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Chuck Huber) > 5. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Alex Fraser) > 6. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Mirco M?ller) > 7. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Mirco M?ller) > 8. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Chuck Huber) > 9. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Who) > 10. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans > for feisty (Mirco M?ller) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:05:58 +0100 >From: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >Greetings Chuck! > >Am Mittwoch, den 29.11.2006, 21:07 -0800 schrieb Chuck Huber: > >> As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious >> things in the pipe". :( > > Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what >does not "visual appeal"-wise. > >> I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised >> at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager >> there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than >> I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on >> every machine in any one organization. > > The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will >be enabled by default. > >> That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 >> out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be >> possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in >> place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same >> great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the >> "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. > > Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to >having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the >normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of >operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos >(btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser >being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the >face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make >much sense :) > >Please explain your idea a bit more in detail. > >Best regards... > >Mirco "MacSlow" M?ller > >-- >email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >www - http://macslow.thepimp.net >lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:10:30 -0800 >From: Troy James Sobotka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Ubuntu Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote: >> Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what >> does not "visual appeal"-wise. > >The spec shows screenshots against a black background. I hope Mark is >coordinating that design of the default GDM with the default look for >Feisty. > >There has _always_ existed a design gap between the developers and the >design, but perhaps pushing the issue this early could be one baby step >towards remedying this problem. > >Hopefully the 'design' of the system will go a little further in >discourse than having the decision based on a few screenshots. The >entire orchestration with the rest of Ubuntu's design should be >considered -- especially at the point where we have a good deal of >latitude. > >Great work Mirco -- can't wait to see the end product! > >Sincerely, >TJS > > >-------------- next part -------------- >A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >Name: not available >Type: application/pgp-signature >Size: 189 bytes >Desc: This is a digitally signed message part >Url : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu- art/attachments/20061130/c7502647/attachment-0001.pgp > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:06:16 +0100 >From: Alberto Pompa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 17, Issue 24 >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: >> Send ubuntu-art mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-art digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans >> for feisty (Chuck Huber) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:07:58 -0800 >> From: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with >> artwork-plans for feisty >> To: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Mirco, >> yes, your work is fantastic and this project looks especially promising. >> As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious >> things in the pipe". :( >> >> I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised >> at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager >> there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than >> I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on >> every machine in any one organization. >> >> That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 >> out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be >> possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in >> place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same >> great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the >> "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. >> >> Just an idea, >> Chuck >> >> On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 22:15 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote: >> >>> Greetings pixel/vector-pushers! >>> >>> I'm new here and as a quick introduction I want to point you to my page >>> on the ubuntu-wiki... >>> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow >>> >>> For the spec on the face-browser I want to get any possible ideas to >>> further streamline the mockups with any planned artwork for feisty. Thus >>> I'm exposing myself and the spec I wrote at UDS 2006 on this >>> mailing-list. >>> >>> Have a look here... >>> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin >>> >>> How to achieve those effects will be my concern so don't just go >>> "That's impossible!" :) I had the general idea, I'll make sure to put >>> that into working code. >>> >>> I tried to keep the "visual gap" between usplash and gdm (for the case >>> of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as >>> small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe >>> for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let >>> me know. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Best regards... >>> >>> Mirco "MacSlow" M?ller >>> >>> -- >>> email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> www - http://macslow.thepimp.net >>> lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it >>> >>> >>> > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:15:18 -0800 >From: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Ubuntu-Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco M?ller wrote: >> Greetings Chuck! ><snip> >> The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will >> be enabled by default. >> >OK, this was my main point and I wasn't sure whether your GDM theme >would be able to work as a face-browser and non face-browser. >> > That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 >> > out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be >> > possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in >> > place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same >> > great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the >> > "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. >> >> Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to >> having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the >> normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of >> operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos >> (btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser >> being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the >> face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make >> much sense :) >> >> Please explain your idea a bit more in detail. >> >Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by >simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as >attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser >itself. >> >-- >Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 11:54:39 +0900 >From: Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Ubuntu-Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain > >Hi! > >Having any browser at all lowers the security a little, because it gives >away user names or at least tells you how many users are on the system. >That said, I'd love to use a browser like this on my system! > >On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:15 -0800, Chuck Huber wrote: >> Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by >> simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as >> attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser >> itself. > >So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be >interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their >username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will >need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still >interactive. > >Cheers, >Alex > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:20:47 +0100 >From: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Ubuntu-Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain > >Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser: > >> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be >> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their >> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will >> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still >> interactive. > > A first idea for this would be to make everything greyed out in this >case. Thus it would stick to the look, but clearly indicate that the >"some mode" has changed That way > >Best regards... > >MacSlow > >-- >email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >www - http://macslow.thepimp.net >lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 04:23:49 +0100 >From: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Ubuntu-Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain > >Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser: > >> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be >> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their >> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will >> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still >> interactive. > > And I should add... make things more transparent (to counter the case >every user chose a b/w photo of her/himself). > >I'll update the mockups for this case. > >Best regards... > >MacSlow > >-- >email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >www - http://macslow.thepimp.net >lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 19:27:52 -0800 >From: Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: Alex Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Ubuntu-Art <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain > >On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 11:54 +0900, Alex Fraser wrote: ><snip> >> >> So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be >> interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their >> username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will >> need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still >> interactive. ><snip> >That is true. Then it would appear broken which wouldn't be so hot. >Mirco's greyed out idea might look neat. It could still contain color >but it would be muted. > >Dreaming here but wouldn't hit be cool if the GDM theme just sorta >blended right into the desktop after logging in? I must admit, I >wouldn't have even mentioned that had MacSlow not been included in the >thread. ;) >> >-- >Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 04:13:05 +0000 >From: Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: " ?tienne Bersac " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: [email protected] >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >On 11/28/06, ?tienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Your work on linux desktop is incredible. Thank you. Keep up the good >> work ! >> >> I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is >> transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut >> down. >> > >I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy >and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I >understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in >the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we >can't avoid the flashing > >The two things I think we could avoid would be >- The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it >wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it >unpacking an image?" says Joe User) > >- The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we >make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't >go until the user's desktop has loaded? > >> Seeing Vista and OS X, Vista has nice face browser, but OS X has far far >> better transition. Screen flickering and other visual noise are far more >> ugly than typing username. I would largely prefer a system with nice >> transition and consistency than a system with eye candy effects for >> basic feature. >> > >Other considerations that may need to be made are >- Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face >browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load >all the photos!) >- How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off >_completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks. > >Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if >there are no images you can still see that there is a user called >'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to >tell who can log on at all. > >To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience' >wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like: >theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one >of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the >configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover >features without being daunting. > >The idea looks really cool, by the way! > >Who > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:53:25 +0100 >From: Mirco M?ller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with > artwork-plans for feisty >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain > >Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 04:13 +0000 schrieb Who: > >> > I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is >> > transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut >> > down. >> > >> >> I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy >> and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I >> understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in >> the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we >> can't avoid the flashing > > Making all those transitions seamless is very involved and actually a >seperate spec. But I'll look into at least the gdm->session transition >to get some bling-love in terms of a subtle fade-in/out... if it won't >distract me from the actual work on the face-browser. > > All those transition-issues would not be a hard problem to solve if we >were going from text-mode (kernel booting) right into X11. And there are >also those different heads that might be running... transitions between >them or logging in as another user (while being already logged in) make >this a difficult task. > >> The two things I think we could avoid would be >> - The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it >> wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it >> unpacking an image?" says Joe User) > >Hm... that sounds like it's usplash's task. > >> - The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we >> make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't >> go until the user's desktop has loaded? > > Ehm... I'm planning to use the usplash artwork in the face-browser to >provide this unified look (see the mockups). > >> - Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face >> browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load >> all the photos!) > > I've some ideas for those cases. But I'll have to code and test them >out. > >> - How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off >> _completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks. >> >> Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if >> there are no images you can still see that there is a user called >> 'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to >> tell who can log on at all. >> >> To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience' >> wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like: >> theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one >> of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the >> configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover >> features without being daunting. > > I'm not going to code a fully themeable GL face-browser for gdm and >hack a ton on gdmsetup. That would make the work ahead of me explode. >Furthermore I also don't want to make to heavy "intrusions" in gdm's >overall framework. I want to make one part of gdm sweet, sexy and >simple... and finish on time :) > >Best regards... > >MacSlow > >-- >email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >www - http://macslow.thepimp.net >lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it > > > > >------------------------------ > >-- >ubuntu-art mailing list >[email protected] >https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > >End of ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 18, Issue 1 >***************************************** >
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