The last time I brought this up it was very late in the Edgy release 
cycle and there was not much time to stir consciences, but now the time 
is right to pick this up again.

The issue is: The shredder icon for the delete action has to go, because 
it has many problems.

* It is a very bad drawing of a shredder.

People at my office said it looks like a typing machine, or a roll of 
toilet paper. Only the girl that actually uses the shredder instantly 
recognized it, but then was fooled as to what was its meaning.

It has very low contrast, and bland features, so it is difficult to 
recognize. The reduced icon is even worse: it looks like a square 
jellyfish relative of Bob Sponge or however he's called.

After all, a shredder is not a machine that has prominent features that 
can be easily caricaturized. Which also means the following:

* It is very difficult to make a very good caricature of a shredder with 
low detail as in an icon.

* The shredder is a very poor metaphor. Many people have never seen a 
shredder in their lives, or maybe occasionally in movies, so the 
association of a bad image of a shredder with deletion in their mind is  
tenuous, at best.

I tried my nephews and nieces (ages 7-8-9) and they had not the foggiest 
notion what it could be (they've never seen a typing machine, which I 
think is what the icon most closely looks like). They had no problems 
recognizing a trashcan, though: they've seen them in all sizes and 
shapes, in reality and movies, and they even have them in their rooms.

* People that recognize it as a shredder, get the notion that it means 
permanent, irreversible deletion, which is not necessarily the truth.

The girl in administration in my office, as well as my boyfriend, who 
routinely destroy documents in a shredder, fell into this trap. They 
would find it logical to have BOTH a shredder AND a trashcan, side by 
side, because they understand you can take papers out of a trashcan.

But even if it were intuitive, which it is not for a majority of people, 
usage is inconsistent. Some examples:

In Tomboy, the shredder correctly means permanent deletion. Still, 
switch the icons to the standard Gnome set, and see how much better the 
page with the red cross works.

In Gedit, however, it stands for plain deletion, the kind that may be 
undone with ctrl-z or edit-undo.

In Evolution it drags a message to the program's trashcan folder, where 
you can watch it, read it and manipulate it to your heart's content 
until the trashcan is emptied (THAT might be a good use for the shredder).

But then, Evo offers something that looks like a meteorite to symbolize 
"spam", so their mindset must be clearly different.



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