Please unsubscribe me. Thanks. Jason Simanek
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 12:00 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send ubuntu-art mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-art digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez) > 2. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Tiago Souza) > 3. Fonts (Tiago Souza) > 4. Re: [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme (tonic) > 5. Re: Hardy GTK Theme (Andreas Nilsson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:48:05 +0100 > From: Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme > To: "Cory K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > El mi?, 07-11-2007 a las 16:09 -0500, Cory K. escribi?: > > > > Josu? Alcalde Gonz?lez wrote: > > > I hope something really new. > > > > > > I like this mockup a lot: > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31128 > > > > > Unfortunately that requires major changes to GNOME. > > > Perhaps it is not posible to put menus in the top-left corner, but all > the other things are posible, I think. > > It is original. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:03:13 -0300 > From: "Tiago Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme > To: "Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [email protected], "Can K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hey, but didn't UDS chose Tango guidelines? If this still can change, > what does that means (UDS = Tango)? > > Cheers, > T. > > On Nov 7, 2007 4:37 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 07/11/2007, Can K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of this icon set: http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/759 > > > > It contains only a few, but i really like the folder icon. > > > > > > > > (sorry if i have sent two mails, but i'm a bit confused by mailing > > lists) > > > > > > That's even worse than the current icon set! I've a question to all of us: > > Is Ubuntu bound to the Tango guidelines? > > > > No > > > > > From my point of view, they're quite unprogressive for a modern Desktop > > OS. Tango icons always look too much comic-like and childish (in fact, this > > is a good criterion for Tango to be the default look of Edubuntu). > > > Can't we just release from the Tango dogmas and create something different > > and new (but yet regocnizable as Ubuntu of course)? > > > > No. Not "just". It is a *huge* undertaking creating an icon set from > > scratch (atleast if you want more or less full coverage). > > > > > I don't think this will be possible if we still stick to Tango! Or will > > there be no discussion about this topic...? > > > > Are we not discussing it? "This is not an argument" ;-P > > > > Cheers, > > Mikkel > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:17:47 -0300 > From: "Tiago Souza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] Fonts > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Are fonts within our scope? Can we change it? Will we change it? I'm > wondering why we are not discussing it.. > > Cheers! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:26:39 +1300 > From: tonic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] [Ubuntu-Art] Hardy GTK theme > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain > > As an example of the problems faced. Open up the GIMP or Inkscape in a > dark theme. You may notice some of the tool icons become difficult to > identify, particularly in Inkscape. > > tonic > > > On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 14:14 -0500, Corey Woodworth wrote: > > I agree, as much as I like dark themes, there are just too many kinks > > to work out. I do like the idea of packaging an aditional dark theme > > with hardy though. It would be a good base to build from if we wanted > > to make a dark theme default in hardy+1 > > > > Corey > > > > On Nov 7, 2007 1:50 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 07/11/2007, Matthew Nuzum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 7, 2007 12:14 AM, Troy James Sobotka > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: > > Another problem with dark themes is a purely > > technical one. I've done a > > handful dark themes myself, but they always > > end up with small glitches > > here and there because not all apps are > > designed to respect the theme > > 100% This makes for a bit of an amateurish > > feel in the long run. That is > > not acceptable for Hardy. > > > > I always seem to find myself in agreement with > > Mikkel's observations > > and conclusions. > > > > One thing we may want to consider is quickly getting a > > dark theme in place in Hardy so that by Alpha 1, which > > is released November 29th, we can start getting bug > > reports on these problems. > > > > This could be as simple as including the ubuntu-studio > > theme, or it could be more advanced. I think the key > > is to get something in soon. Core devs are *already* > > running hardy, and in large part, they (not us) will > > need to help identify and communicate these problems > > to upstream. > > > > I can personally attest that a dark theme can be > > usable and very attractive. It is challenging to > > achieve a balance and to get your applications working > > and looking good. The beauty of a dark theme is it > > draws your eyes to your work, which will have a > > lighter color, and in a way relegates the controls and > > chrome to a less prominent positions without actually > > putting them in an unusual or unexpected place. > > > > This is exactly my problem with dark themes - the contrast > > between the surroundings and the document I edit is too big. > > My eyes get sore after a few hours. > > > > For hacking in GEdit this is not a big problem because I can > > have a dark theme there too, but for OpenOffice I just *need* > > that white backgound. It is silly to have a wysiwyg editor > > where there colors are not what other people will see. > > > > > > An additional challenge with this type of functional > > art is to not be too clever. It still needs to be > > functional. > > > > Hmm... that might be a cool name for the new theme: > > functional-art. > > > > On top of my previous points I simply do not believe that we > > can smooth out the rough edges (non-theme-compliant-apps) on a > > dark theme in 6 months. Hardy should be enterprise level and > > we cannot achieve that on a dark theme in that time frame. > > Fixing the apps require real developers, not just themers, and > > we are really short on those. > > > > > > > > Please not that I really do like dark themes. Maybe we should > > just bundle a dark version of the final theme. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Mikkel > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:09:03 +0100 > From: Andreas Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Hardy GTK Theme > To: xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > xl cheese wrote: > > Speaking of changes to gnome. I can think of two small ones that > > would make a huge difference. > > > > 1. Ability to add a gradient to the panel bar w/o pixmaping it. > > 2. Ability to grab a window from both the metacity title bar as well > > as the blank space on the menubar. Perhaps even the blank space on > > the tool bar. > Hi! > This is on the roadmap for GNOME (although first for 2.24). > http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Artwork > - Andreas > > > > ------------------------------ > -- ubuntu-art mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
