Well said! I think that many people don't take us (you?) seriously. The current theme is years old... Nobody uses the default theme (except of me, I think...). If anybody woullead a team, I would join in. (I could do things like a new GDM-theme...).
Let's fight;-) Am Samstag, den 05.01.2008, 11:23 +0000 schrieb Who: > All, > > On my schedule for this (potential) process, today was the day to > decide whether or not we wanted to do this. Very few people have > answered... Please answer. > > As it stands, with one suggested theme and no leader for it, we can't > go ahead. There is just no point. Is there any support for this idea, > or are people only here because they want to design the default theme > (serious question, not an attack! ...please answer) > > In summary, here is why I think it is a good idea to do this > * If you want your design to be available to Ubuntu users, this is the > only certain way to do it > * In the past, this team has had most success developing community > themes (my opinion, but see below) > * If we want to be taken more seriously as a team in the future, > getting good stuff done well without offiicial hand-holding is > important > * Developing these themes is fun, seeing people using your theme is great > > But if we don't get people able to run them/do design we can't go > forward. It is only sensible for me to drive a process like this a > certain amount (i.e the leaders need to want to do it!, and do does > the team) > > It occurs to me that if we can't even make a complete theme of ANY > style to a good standard, we shouldn't expect to be taken seriously > when we ask to design the default theme! > > Happy answering, > > Who > > On Jan 3, 2008 9:59 AM, Frank Schoep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote: > > > To all the new people around here - please pay attention to Who, he > > > has been around here for a good while and knows the drill. … > > > > Absolutely – there are a few people on this list who've been around > > for quite some time. I think this list is very fortunate to still > > have experienced people like Who and Troy around, but it's also good > > to see a lot of new enthusiastic people sharing their vision. > > > > > … > > > We came close to the real deal once, was it Dapper?, where we got a > > > few community themes, bundled, but not enabled, by default. > > > > I think you are referring to Edgy, as the Theme Teams were introduced > > in that release. Eventually three themes ended up in universe, being > > Blubuntu (Who / PingunZ), Peace (Chuck Huber) and Tropic (Viper550). > > > > While varying in quality and polish, the mere fact they were included > > was a sign that independent small community groups could work towards > > their own vision *and* meet the hard deadline constraints that were > > set for them. > > > > > This happened solely because of two things: > > > * A few people stood up and took responsibility for creating themes > > > > Indeed. There was a deadline for Theme Team applications a few weeks > > into the release cycle so that the theme leaders needed to be > > involved from the start up through a few weeks before release. For > > Edgy, four leaders stepped up with a serious proposal. > > > > During the development period, we regularly discussed progress and > > problems and where possible I tried to help out either myself or by > > getting the right people in touch with each other. > > > > > * Daniel Holbach saved our asses with a lot of packaging work we > > > really should have done our selves > > > > Daniel has historically helped out with a lot of packaging work, > > indeed. For the Edgy Theme Teams, we made sure he only had one final > > version to package per theme with room before the deadline, so they > > wouldn't burden him much. > > > > > I think it would be very valuable to have a "History Page" on the wiki > > > outlining the success and Failures of the art team. That would > > > probably help to make it clear how we are doomed to repeat history > > > unless people step up an take responsibility. > > > > While I can't say much about Feisty, Gutsy or Hardy-in-progress, I > > could tell you about Edgy. As far as I know, Edgy was the first (and > > last?) release to actively try and use community input as a viable > > source for distribution artwork. > > > > Postmortem I did an interview with Linux.com on the Edgy cycle, and > > there's some half-decent comments from Slashdot, too: > > http://www.linux.com/feature/58477 > > http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/14/2241255 > > ('Stroep' [sic]) > > > > It seems that all the history we built on the Wiki has been shoveled > > elsewhere or been dumped in a landfill altogether, but if you can > > find it, you might be able to reconstruct a decent timeline along > > with the mailing list. > > > > It was pretty high traffic during those days (July - October 2006) > > and the ML / Wiki combination seemed to work somewhat satisfactory. > > > > All in all, Edgy was edgy to me – as you can read in the interview > > the idea was to try something new, community artwork by default, and > > since there were no trodden roads available I did my best to get and > > keep things rolling in an enjoyable fashion. > > > > I think it worked out pretty well in terms of community involvement, > > enthusiasm, commitment, process structure and raw output. Slightly > > missing was the desired art *direction* but somehow I don't think > > that problem's been resolved ever since, no flame or offense intended. > > > > If you'd ask me now, sure I'd do things different based on the Edgy > > experience and the knowledge I've accumulated since then, but I think > > the Edgy cycle already showed a lot of potential for the future > > although it never got tapped into afterwards. > > > > Tell me if I'm wearing rose-colored glasses, thanks for reading. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Frank > > > > > > -- > > ubuntu-art mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > >
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