On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 08:53 -0700, Troy James Sobotka wrote: > Nick Russell wrote: > > I've updated the original mockups on the wiki > > <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Newsplash> to address > > concerns/criticisms and I've added a few new ideas and variations on old > > ones. I've also started a forum thread to gauge community interest in a > > new usplash <http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4971501> > > While I can appreciate your want to change a certain aspect of Ubuntu, I > would ask if you think a traditional development-centric component based > design works for overall aesthetic impact? > > That is, your design clearly moves toward a given presentation. Does > that presentation work in the 'bigger picture'? Is there an overarching > style that it fits in with? Etc. > > Worse, voting is death, especially on something of this nature. > > If you would like to have a very real world example, go about your > houseappear no matter what, > with a digital camera. Photograph small studies of say -- door handles, > a chair, a type of hard wood flooring. > > Now pick any one and put it up for a vote. In the end, the vote is > meaningless as it doesn't give you a true and accurate evaluation as to > how all of the pieces are going to work together in the total design. > > Two pennies... > TJS > > PS: If you want further insight into some of these ideas, I would > encourage you to examine the terms Gesamtkunstwerk ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesamtkunstwerk ) or Coccinity ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concinnity ). > >
Hi there, I see what you are saying. But as I indicated when I first posted about the usplash, I'm not primarily an artist, and created these mock ups more to stimulate debate about a possible new usplash than anything else. In fact, as I recently posted on the forum thread, I'm not averse to the current usplash remaining. As for the voting aspect, I actually posted on the forums not primarily to put my ideas to the vote, but because I was secretly hoping someone who knows a thing or two about usplash might take up one of the designs, or be inspired (or so disgusted by my designs!) that he or she would come up with their own for Intrepid! But I think you are saying that the integrity of an idea may be watered down if it is put to the vote? I think that this is probably true, but then not all design/art is necessarily about creating an overall whole which gels is it? I'm not necessarily advocating this for ubuntu (it would be a usability nightmare!), but you could argue that a more fractured design where the pieces don't fit together is actually more interesting? I think your comments raise another interesting point, can there be such a thing as 'community art', and if there is does it tend to be 'better' or 'worse' (sorry for the clumsy wording) than an overall design which has a single or small number of creators? This is kind of the ultimate question for a project like Ubuntu, and the open source movement in general. In the end, in order to create an overall concept which looks good, is consistent and easy to use - I think you are right that the 'traditional development-centric component based design' probably doesn't work, but its tough, because I'm neither an artist or a developer, but as you say I want to 'change a certain aspect of ubuntu' so I'm sort of stuck in the middle. So why am I bothering? Well because I agree with the philosophy of ubuntu and want it to spread as far as possible. In terms of my 'big picture' it would be that philosophy, rather than anything strictly 'aesthetic', which is why I focused my designs on the coming together of the circle of people, and what they produce in the centre of that circle. And why did I choose the usplash, because its the first thing people see, so they should get that philosophy straight away. Though, I suppose the logo does that anyway - without any fancy animations.... Thanks again for your comments, Nick
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