On Tuesday 01 July 2008 20:26:46 Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> Hi Kenneth and the rest of the list,
>
> A thread with a descriptive title for once. Sorry about that.
>
> I've now been dogfooding NewHuman on my Hardy box for a few days.
> Here's what I've gathered:
>
> Reactions
> ---------
>
>  * My GMail in firefox does not look particularly good anymore. This
> goes for most web pages with native widgets in them. I don't see any
> easy solution to fix this in a dark theme. For Gmail atleast nudging
> the base brown color a tad towards the lighter gray makes it more in
> line with the GMail colors. Sorry to be so GMail centric, the same
> idea should apply to many other websites.

I have started a wiki page in which you can list problem apps...check out:
http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/NewHumanTesting

>  * The top line for the active window in the metacity theme is really
> cool and a clever idea. Disregarding that it does however get a little
> on my nerves when I read my window titles. I tried inversing the
> gradient in the attached screenshot. Now let's see how that fares for
> a few days :-)

Hrm, that is interesting as well. I made the current verison based on mockups 
that I had made during the hardy cycle. All in all the biggest thing that 
bugs me about the window decoration is the fact that one doesn't know exactly 
where to click to move the window. The buttons need some work too though :-)

>  * As noted elsewhere the scrollbar handles are too hard to see for my olde
> eyes
>
>  * Ditto for tabs in firefox. All the backgrounded tabs appear as a
> black haze to me

Indeed, both the scrollbars and the tabs need work.

>  * The color of the menu highlight strikes me as especially pleasing
> each time I open a menu. Love it.
>
>  * Curved highlights on menu items appear out of place compared to the
> über cool matte buttons

Yeah, might be too much gloss there...easy to change as that is a simple theme 
option.

>  Engine Ideas
> --------
> I have a few ideas that require changes in the engine. If I can get it
> working without to much hazzle I'll look at the following (having
> upstream as patch target - NOT a fork!):
>
>  * Make tab highlights match the window border highlights

That sounds very interesting.

>  * Generally highlights everywhere to match window decoration in some
> way. Menu item, button hover, etc.
>
>  * Any other ideas (that are likely to not require much work)?

> Conclusions
> ----------
>  * Solid start for venturing into dark-theme-territory.
>
>  * I am still not convinced that all-out-dark themes are good on the
> whole. They strain my eyes in the long run, and many web sites look
> weird with dark controls. These are unfixable problems.

Yes, and I am 99% sure that we will revert this before the beta. For now, it 
is just for testing (I know you probably have heard that by now but I just 
keep repeating it!).

>  * I believe that the New Wave guys are on to something. A hybrid
> dark, gray, light theme with orange highlights can work very well.
> This makes it possible to loose the dark controls in web pages.

Yes, it does look pretty interesting indeed!

Ken

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