On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 20:27 +0200, Carol Meertens wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
>> We feel it would be nice to just have the Ubuntu circle, with its
>> default colors, and with two additional crossing lines below it ('+').
>> The '+' is making it the symbol for female. This was inspired by the
>> debian women logo [3], which you probably know and which we like very
>> much.
>
> It works with the Debian swirl. But to my eyes, the 'heads' in the
> circle of friends works against a recognisable integration of the Venus
> symbol. Someone needs to play with the 2 symbols a bit.
>
> I guess the Venus symbol is about the only option to not bring in some
> cliche.
>
>> In addition to that we would like a version of the mugshot with the
>> words 'ubuntu' and 'women' at the right; using the ubuntu font. One
>> of our members, Akkana Peck, created an example:
>> http://shallowsky.com/ubuntu-women/. We are not sure whether rotation
>> of the circle is legally correct.
>
> Please note that both available fonts do not mach the original "ubuntu"
> of the logo, which means one would have to fill in the missing letters
> for "women" for a consistent and correct whole. If one was to take the
> letters from brainstorm, there would still be the w and e.
>
> I think using a woman's wide and round handwritten "women", maybe
> including the "ubuntu" would be much better. No worries about doing
> further damage to the ubuntu title font situation, much more character.Indeed, you'd be much better off using one identical font to render both words or least substantially different ones than two nearly identical but annoyingly different fonts. This leaves you with some choices. A non-exhaustive list: * use an ubuntu-title font for both * use ubuntu title for "ubuntu" and something else for "women" * use something else for both I could see a case for using a script font for women, but it could imply that this is some special Ubuntu for women, or that women have special software needs, possibly with connotations that women can't generally handle technical subjects. A script font will certainly set the project, its goals and possibly its members, apart from Ubuntu as a whole. Men will identify the logo as "for women", not "about women", and I'm not sure the project wants or can afford to turn away people by default. In contrast, the ubuntu-title font seems to be gender neutral. Some people are worried that damage is being done to some trademark or intellectual meaning of the logo by overuse, but I disagree. The title font is fairly unique in it's design, lacking any relationship to traditional calligraphy without sacrificing readability much. Many people use it to imply a relationship to Ubuntu. Unfortunately, it's implementation leaves much to be desired, but I am looking at improving that. That said, I think the titling for your The other concern is the logo. It is called the "Circle of Friends," and one of the requirements appears to be that it not be rotated so that one person is on top. This reflects a message about equality and authority between friends. I'm certainly in no position to allow or deny changes to the logo itself (a little ironic), but I have a suggestion. Rather than rotate the logo, perhaps take one of the circular heads and replace it with the stem of the Venus glyph rotated to fit the logo. This also avoids a corollary statement: just as no person is above the rest, no person or group of people is below the rest. I think you might appreciate that sentiment. The loss of rotational symmetry does look a little silly though, and the transformation of the circle from a group of people into one "person"'s head may cause cognitive friction. I've attached a draft .SVG for anyone else to play with. I don't think it's finished, but it should offer visual evidence to my suggestions. Justin Dugger
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