Peter Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:03:52 +1000
> Sebastian Spiess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> hi all,
>>
>> for quite a while now I've been having one or sometimes 2 zombie processes 
>> showing in my system monitor
>>
>> I tried to kill them using the system monitor. I tried killall and PID but 
>> everything I tried did not work.
> 
> You can't kill a zombie process - that's why they are called
> "zombies" :)
> 
>> After reboot the zombie is back.
>>
>> PID is always >6000 if that matters.
> 
> It is probably a misbehaving program that doesn't clean up after itself
> correctly. Zombie processes are inherited by "init" (PID 1), but it
> would be more useful for you to see which  program is doing this.
> 
> For example, you could run
> 
> ps auxw | grep <PID number here>  or grep for "Z" (capital Z is what
> shows up in the process table). If this is reappearing on reboot you
> have a buggy program... the parent process (whatever it is) is leaving
> its children behind. Bad parent :)
> 
>> How can I investigate what causes this zombie and how can I kill it.
> 
> See above. You *cannot kill a zombie*, by definition. That said, a
> zombie does no harm, since it uses no resources except what is required
> to exist in the process list. You would need a huge army ( a horde?)  of
> zombies before there would be any impact on system performance.
> 
> "Why You Can't Kill a Zombie Process"
> http://www.unix.com.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch38_16.htm
> 
>> I would prefer the shot gun which worked well on zombies in some games but 
>> here in my system probably not :-)
> 
> Garlic and silver bullets, waving crosses etc. don't work on zombies?
> *grin* 
> 

Thanks Peter,

I did as you suggested

~$ ps aux | grep 6141
seb       6141  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Jul25   0:00 [sh] <defunct>
seb      18058  0.0  0.0   3008   744 pts/1    R+   10:54   0:00 grep 6141
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps aux | grep 14560
seb      14560  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    10:20   0:00 [sh] <defunct>
seb      18077  0.0  0.0   3008   752 pts/1    R+   10:54   0:00 grep 14560
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ps aux | grep Z
USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
seb       6141  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    Jul25   0:00 [sh] <defunct>
seb      14560  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        Z    10:20   0:00 [sh] <defunct>
seb      18088  0.0  0.0   3012   772 pts/1    R+   10:54   0:00 grep Z

but what does that give me. A shell is the zombie...

reading your link tells me that the problem could be a device driver.
 From what I remember I did not attach any new devices to my notebook, 
everything I use now I used when I installed hardy.
I did though do some changes to installed software, my feeling is ever since I 
set up tracker to crawl my files the zombie 
was there, but I can't tell for sure.
Another thing is that since I have the zombie (or two) I clicking on the 
clock/date left of the log out/shut down the panel 
seems to crash or slow every thing down. the menu with calendar and the 
locations won't even open.

Any ideas here would be great because I am lost with this one :-/

thanks,
sebastian

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