Please Soren, I know you probably work your ass off on this stuff, but try not to be so precious. I am just a humble infrastructure guy trying to make things *actually work*. My lack of expertise regarding what goes on in your domain should not in any way detract from my basic requirement that it "should do what it says on the tin".
> To what venom do you refer? Are you really serious? > > Can Ubuntu do to Samba what it did to Debian??? > > What would that be? Eh, a fork??? Ubuntu SBS? Copyright Jim Shanks Look, all joking aside, I've had a night's sleep to get things in perspective...after many sleepless nights...You all know what I mean. I know that this is probably not the forum for a more general discussion but anyone reading this thread probably needs to get the whole story as my negative comments and resultant defensive postures may frighten off people if taken in isolation. I think this story is worth telling because many many other people have had similar experiences. I took out a subscription to various Linux mags a couple of years ago to watch developments from a safe distance and try to get a good picture about what was going on. My intial impressions of the community effort were positive, however, I could see many potential fault lines. I used the term "Hack Fest" earlier on in this thread and that just about sums up my feeling at this stage. That is not to say that Microsoft doesn't have it's own structural problems which are reflected in products that have marketing written all over them and are generally over-the-top and "too bloody clever by half". Having become sick of the patronising approach of Microsoft, I finally dipped my toes in Open Source using Ubuntu/Samba last summer. I was very impressed with initial tests, however many many niggly things began to bite once I started installing production systems. Undoubtedly many of these problems stemmed from the whole permissions mapping side of things and the slight differences between Linux and Windows usage of the underlying filesystem. Of course, my lack of familiarity with Linux didn't help but I persisted when many of my friends drew back and took the easy route...and who can blame them? But let me add some positives... As it stands, I am on the *cusp* of implementing a reliable MS Windows SB Server replacement using *stable* Ubuntu 6.06 LTS/Samba 3.0.22. I have avoided file system extended attributes. Even though they appear to be supported by Dapper, it seems that cp, tar and many other files sytem utilities have little or no extended attribute support...at least the versions supported by Dapper (if I am wrong, please correct me on this). Again, I don't want to overide packaging system with latest versions for all the usual reasons that have been pointed out already on this thread. By the way, I won't even mention Posix ACLs. Given these constraints, I decided to use Samba's archive/system/hidden /read-only mapping to x bits together with the DOS FILEMODE option, I disabled ACL configuration on the client side (NT ACL SUPPORT = NO) and control permissions entirely from Linux side. This seems to work reliably and is almost what I want..the only downside is that attributes mapping does not work with directories but I can just about live with that because Samba silently accepts directory attribute changes without generating an error (with one unfortunate exception). I use roaming profiles very effectively with XP with all the usual post-SP2 local group policy tweaks. My Samba configuration mimics an NT PDC and, after a year of late nights, all seemed to be going quite well. What prompted my misguided bug report was a strange bug which I discovered the other day and this was the straw that broke the camel's back. I visited the Samba site, looked at the change log from 3.0.22 to 3.0.25c, got a severe dose of indigestion but then saw the Enterprise Samba link to the sound of trumpets...and this all prompted my "bug report"...surely not unreasonable..if completely misguided. My attitude was. I'm sick of all these surprises. I want a stable up-to-date Samba release on my stable Ubuntu distro...but it seems that "never the twain shall meet". Late last night, I got to the nub of the bug in question. Ironically, given all the aggravation I've been having on this thread, a cursory search of the Samba bug list showed that it may not yet have been reported or fixed which makes me wonder why no-one ever spotted it before. I have therefore filed an official bug report https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4956 and, if it gets fixed by Samba, I will be a good Ubuntu citizen and put in a request to Ubuntu to have it back-ported. Given the excellent relations we have already built up on this thread, you will then agree to my request and my state of Samba Nirvana will be complete (famous last words!). As quid-pro-quo, I will then publish my Ubuntu SBS setup on the Ubuntu forum and hopefully save many others from similar aggravation. *I hope this rounds off this discussion in a rounded way* > Is anyone else interested in this? I'm not a coder (used to > be, but got > out of it a looong time ago) but I have had success in > making it work, > and would be interested in sharing experiences, scripts, config files > and any other info as well as documentation. > Jim, count me in but I think I've outstayed my welcome here so let's move to a new thread on the forum. > I would also like to note that Ubuntu Desktop is the best > *NIX that I've > used to connect to a Linux/Samba server. I works great. A > file server > distribution would be a fantastic addition to the Ubuntu > experience and > once again like the easy-to-use desktop, Ubuntu can be first. > Couldn't agree more, however, for my business clients, the server is where it is all happening. I have stuck my neck out and moved my clients to Firefix/Thunderbird/OpenOffice but running on Windows XP. I will only move to desktop Linux when hardware support is much better and windows emulation is totally seamless. The whole licensing issue also needs to be sorted (vis-a-vis XP OEM license transfer to virtual machine) -- Samba Backport Urgently Needed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/137656 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Backporters, which is the bug contact for Dapper Backports. -- ubuntu-backports mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
