i have to agree with mac_v
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 13:56 +0000, mac_v wrote:
> Matthew Paul Thomas wrote::
> (1) Yes, it is more obtrusive, that's entirely deliberate, and I don't know
> what "study" you're referring to.
> (2) Using a notification icon to advertise updates is a bad idea first
> because it's not obvious, and second because it makes installing the updates
> gratuitously difficult.
> (3) Using a notification icon to advertise that a restart is required is a
> bad idea first because it's not obvious, and second because it makes
> restarting gratuitously difficult.
>
> @Matthew >>> RIDICULOUS EXPLANATIONS <<<
> 1] seems to be a deliberate move... OK .. thts understood
> 2] & 3]not obvious???gratuitously difficult.????????? ARE U KIDDING????????
>
> the reasons we have road signs as symbols rather than instructions is
> since they are more obvious!!!just like icons over windows with text!
>
> with notification icons number of clicks to install updates>
> 1-click the icon for update > update manager is opened showing list of
> updates an option to install or close
> 2-click on install updates
> THATS IT...
>
> with notification icons number of clicks to restart>
> 1-click the icon for restart > restart dialogue is opened showing an option
> to restart now or restart later
> 2-click on restart
> THATS IT...
>
> 2 clicks for both the steps and i dont understand how u define
> gratuitously difficult !!!
>
> what u are doing this far worse>>>
> when the user chooses to update later
> 1-click to close the dialogue
> 2-click on panel for system menu
> 3- to reopen the update manager from system menu
> 4-to install updates...
>
> so i guess that 4 clicks are easier than 2?????
>
> OK seems that this battle is not going to be won by the users!
>
> cant we all co-exist? hear me out
> option1:
> proceed with the way u have planned by opening a pop-under window for
> notifications
> BUT WHEN the user decides to update/restart later, display an icon { extra
> option which is disabled by default but can be set to show icon from settings
> in the update manager}
>
> option2:***** to satisfy the regular user, and for all who complain provide
> an option to allow notification icon display****
> a better way would be allow the user to decide whether the pop-under / icon
> is better for them, with the pop-under being the default setup...
>
> the DELIBERATE steps u have taken for the new update notification system
> are understood to all... thought not many agree with it...
>
> >>>PLS consider this extra option of having an icon displayed when the
> user postpones the update/restart <<<<
>
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> [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945
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> Status in Ubuntu Release Notes: New
> Status in “update-notifier” source package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in update-notifier in Ubuntu Jaunty: Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
> I am referring to the removal up the update-notifier in the Gnome
> notification area. The discussion of it is embedded in the thread headed by:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027416.html
>
> Specific messages worth reading are:
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027434.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027451.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027454.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027437.html
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027445.html
>
> Matthew Paul Thomas says that the desired behavior is:
>
> * When there are security updates, Update Manager will open and show
> them (plus any other available updates) within a day.
>
> * When there are non-security updates, Update Manager will open and
> show them *one week* after it was last opened (whether it was last
> opened manually or automatically, and regardless of whether updates
> were actually installed then).
>
> * When there are no available updates, Update Manager will not open
> automatically at all.
>
> Desired by whom? And where was discussion of this change that effects the
> entire Ubuntu community? Because some percentage of users don't apparently
> understand that the notification area has meaning, we are not going to use it
> for updates? Chow Loong Jin raised a valid point that if update notification
> is now done by opening the entire update manager program, perhaps evolution
> and similar should open their application UIs rather than use the
> notification area. And there are concerns about unintended functional
> consequences of this ill-conceived change, discussed in the thread.
>
> Personally, I predict that opening the Update Manager window while people are
> working will piss off a lot of users when it happens, and may result in them
> wanting to disable automatic checking. Yes, that'll be highly desirable,
> won't it?
>
> In other words, this change should be corrected, and a notification icon
> should be displayed when updates are available.
>
> To disable the new behaviour and get the old behaviour use:
>
> gconftool -s --type bool /apps/update-notifier/auto_launch false
>
> Take into account that this gconf change is not supported.
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