you are right Steve 
i just assumed i did the some on the laptop as i did on the desktop pc that's 
was not true 
i m still running grub1 on the laptop 

still i just quickly press esc as soon as i shutdown and the laptop power goes 
down..
if ubuntu letters stays with those dots them it won t power down.

i will try acpi=force on it later

rictec

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