soc, please don't take my arguments as a personal affront.Like yourself, I have a strong opinion about this glyph - and I guess being Swiss doesn't help, since we would prefer to put this character into a parallel universe and then close the space-time rift forever.
As I can't do much about the Unicode inclusion of the cap Eszett other than maybe go to a conference one day and start petitioning for the reversal of that decision, I am aware that we have to come to a solution. My primary objection is to creating a capitalised version of this ligature (note the wording! ;-) ). My feeling still is that it should simply be a double-S composite but I am happy to spend some time to create a ligature that, as David explains, makes the intention of the glyph clear without resorting to something utterly ugly. I remember that at the time of the Unicode inclusion a heated debate was raging on typophile. Opinions are wholeheartedly divided on this issue. You write: 'Additionally I disagree with your point about "agreement to wisdom". Currently it is "wisdom" that "a capital eszett does not exist", despite obvious, valid and verified proof of the exact opposite situation for at least 130 years.' Naturally, our colleagues at DIN needed to have examples to justify the capitalised design of the Eszett but I am not convinced that the examples that are shown in the rationale are not created from ignorance about typography and grammar. Interestingly, it's only been 130 years that this treatment exists whilst the use of long- and short-s can be traced much further back including the ligaturised version of eszett. Is that not an indicator that these printers were misguided and overzealous? I am not saying, I am asking. Clearly, I am glad that no-one wants to burn me for my opinions but then again, I have no intention to do so either. Again, my wording has come out of passion for what I do and I simply want to state that just because some so called authoritative orgnaisation mandates something that we should not necessarily take it for gospel. Since we started work on the Ubuntu font project about six or seven months ago it has grown on me beyond just being another type design. I think we have truly created something exciting and continue to create exciting stuff. Working with the opensource community has been a very steep learning curve and keeps doing so. I want to make sure that whatever comes next maintains the highest standards of design and technical implementation whether they are Latin glyphs or Church Glagolithic. You can be sure that there will be many more such terse exchanges. :-) So, soc, I totally agree that we all want the same thing - an agreeable solution for this arguably good or bad situation. Clearly, I need to put my words to action and start designing. And at no time, I felt insulted or aggravated by you. This is just part and parcel of debate and arguement. And occasionally tempers flare but history proves that often the best things have come out of heated debate. -- Expansion: 'ẞ' LATIN CAPTIAL LETTER SHARP S (U+1E9E) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/650498 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
