On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Kaj Ailomaa <[email protected]>wrote:
> I think the problem here is that people aren't expecting the menu to be > ordered according to workflow categories, but according to the the > application definition. Incskape, by definition is a graphics application, > while Audacity is by definition an audio editor. > I'd like to discuss moving back to a menu system that is purely based > around application definitions, and let workflow categorization exist else > where, in documentation or in a custom application meant to guide the user > to different workflows. > The menu does not work well for this. First of all, it's confusing finding > applications in the "wrong" category. Second, the menu gets flooded with > double entries, when all you need is one. > > -- > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu > Studio Development Team, which is subscribed to ubuntustudio-default- > settings in Ubuntu. > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/984970 > > Title: > Audacity and Inkscape are in the video production menu > > To manage notifications about this bug go to: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/984970/+subscriptions > i'm not trying to marginalize people's concerns or dismiss them outright, so please read this email with the best possible interpretation. i'm not sure the actually is a problem at this point. so far i believe ttoine made a bug report because he thought this was an error and holstein, len, and ailo have commented that this is "not right" (tried to find a nice, succinct adjective without being derogatory to anyone). what i feel might be happening is that all the feedback so far is from developers and contributors and i worry that we are biased towards a strict organizational hierarchy. i think before we move forward we should probably solicit user feedback and input. if every user (or a clear majority) decries the current state, then we should absolutely fix this issue. for the record, earlier we defined our target audience was defined as "linux beginners" and i felt that any immediately accessible, visual clue to help people understand the work flows and which applications to be used _in context of their task_ would be exceedingly helpful. i suppose an additional aspect would have been to add more specific tool tips depending on the menu location (i.e. for inkscape: "make pretty and awesome picture" [graphics menu] vs. "make awesome title screens and credits for your movie" [video menu] ) therefore, my sole focus is *NOT* to have funky menus, but to help newer and inexperienced users navigate easily through work flows. as long as another mechanism is employed to address this concern, then i would fully support reverting the menus to a less contextual, more application defined menu structure. an anecdotal story; i have two solutions for my video editing setup: the first solution, is that i used another computer for video exclusively, setting it up exactly as i needed it. i started with xubuntu originally, but then switched to vanilla ubuntu because of the improved dual monitor support. this allowed me to use a second monitor as a playback monitor, leaving the primary screen with as much valuable real estate for the timeline. i could set up icons or panels with my favourite tools for immediate use. this fell out of favour for me because i was using a dedicated desktop machine and i wanted to use my laptop so i could edit anywhere else in the house (and without sequestering myself in an upstairs room away from the family). the second and current solution, is using my laptop with another user added to the system. i started with vanilla ubuntu, but added xubuntu-default-settings so i could use the familiar (to me) settings of xfce and this user defaults to the xubuntu session. again, i tweaked the desktop for my video editing purpose. the one deficiency is currently a dual monitor setup, and once i get through a few more videos i will probably migrate back to vanilla ubuntu for the dual monitor support. all that being said, i would really like is to have a "mode" for video editing (and other work flows). i don't use jack, ardour, or even audacity [1], although the video editor i use [2] does make use of many, many of the available audio plugins. so i would view the "video editing mode" as something that minimizes other applications while highlighting the ones that i would use. in the context of the current (ubuntu studio 12.04) setup, the later would be addressed by including audacity and inkscape in the video menu, the former not being accomplished. i suppose a standard menu with specialized or "mode" docks would also address this. i look forward to your input on this. scottl [1] the ration i am not using audacity is because the video editor i am using (kdenlive) makes simple edits of audio (cropping the start, cropping the end, cutting out a section) very easy. i am not sure that openshot does that, although i am equally not sure that it doesn't. i feel that i have a good set of requirements derived from kdenlive and i have begun testing openshot for feature comparison. [2] i am using kdenlive i find it amazing. i believe it to offer more useful features than openshot (starting testing) and most of the features from blender (although blender can still do some stunning and amazing things that no other linux video editor can). ricardo lameiro suggested this earlier and i understand why. while it would mean additional libraries, it probably will be worth it but i want to finish my comparison between openshot and kdenlive before making any official recommendation. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/984970 Title: Audacity and Inkscape are in the video production menu To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/984970/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
