Sorry, in #1 I meant to write "Updated Software" rather than "Update Software."
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Arthur Tan <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > You are correct. I misspoke. The debate (or "spirited discussion" if > you will) was on Google+ and was in reference to the article rather > than in the comments to the article. > > Article: > http://www.iloveubuntu.net/update-manager-renamed-software-updater-ubuntu-1210 > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/NhRx4AWttZY > > https://plus.google.com/u/0/109365858706205035322/posts/J485xYxhY7v > > That being said, the name could still be improved. You asked why. > > (1) "Update Manager" was fine. But "Software Updater" doesn't sound > natural (to me). Maybe the name was changed to match the "Software Up > to Date" menu entry under the System Menu (the cog wheel). If so, why > don't we just call it "Update Software" (my preference) or "Software > Update" (my second choice) instead of "Software Updater?" The word > "Updater" is too active of a name for what is designed to be an > unobtrusive background process. "Updater" sounds like a program you > run rather than the pop-up it is now. Even if I'm not convincing you, > I hope I'm making some sense. :) > > (2) It's just style. We should simplify the pop-up messages to make > them even less obtrusive, quick to read, and easy to deal with. I've > always loved Einstein's quote about making everything as simple as > possible, but not simpler. If we have one sentence that says, "Updated > software is available." then the question about installing now is > implied by the buttons, especially when one of the buttons is labelled > "Install Now." It's redundant to ask if they want to install now and > then have the button. > > Admittedly, these items are minor points. And what I think is clear > and simple language can be very different from what someone else > thinks. Like everyone else on this list, I'm just trying to make > Ubuntu better. > > Take care, > Arthur > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Arthur, I don't see the "debate" you mention anywhere in the article you >> linked to. Anyway, "software" is a mass noun, so "install it" is >> correct. If we referred to "software updates" instead, then "them" would >> be correct. I chose "updated software" instead of "software updates" >> because that avoids having to change to a different message whenever >> only one update is available. ("A software update is available. Do you >> want to install it now?") >> >> (1) Why? >> >> (2) Why? This window is basically equivalent to a confirmation alert, >> and it's a bit strange to present a confirmation alert without asking a >> question. Normally that's done only if the preceding sentence is long, >> and it isn't in this case. >> >> ** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu) >> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete >> >> ** Changed in: update-manager (Ubuntu) >> Assignee: (unassigned) => Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) >> >> -- >> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug >> report. >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009686 >> >> Title: >> Change window title from "Software Updater" to...anything else? >> >> Status in “update-manager” package in Ubuntu: >> Incomplete >> >> Bug description: >> In 12.10, "Update Manager" is now being called "Software Updater." >> >> http://iloveubuntu.net/update-manager-renamed-software-updater- >> ubuntu-1210 >> >> There's also some debate whether "Do you want to install it now?" >> should be "Do you want to install them now?" >> >> IMHO, we should just remove the second sentence altogether. The dialog >> should just be, "Updated software is available." >> >> (1) Can we change the name of the window title from "Software Updater" to >> "Software Updates" ... [or something else] >> (2) Can we drop the second sentence in the dialog box. >> >> To manage notifications about this bug go to: >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1009686/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1009686 Title: Change window title from "Software Updater" to...anything else? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/1009686/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list [email protected] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
