It turns out in 3.17rc4 the root_maxkeys/bytes were greatly increased
which is actually what solved my issue..  Sorry for the noise.

Raw notes:
with key utils - 3.17.rc7 - main issue gone, nogroup is now 4294967294
without key utils - 3.17-rc7 - main issue gone, nogroup is fine too
 
all rest without key utils
3.17-rc4 - no 4294967294 in output
/proc/sys/kernel/keys/root_maxbytes     25000000
/proc/sys/kernel/keys/root_maxkeys      1000000

3.17-rc3 - ~24000 in 3.17-rc4
/proc/sys/kernel/keys/root_maxkeys      200
/proc/sys/kernel/keys/root_maxbytes     20000

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