I was reading more about pulseaudio and saw this on one of the Arch pages:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Configuration_files
"PulseAudio uses udev and logind to give access dynamically to the currently 
"active" user"

could it be this which is not happening correctly?  I started looking at
udev and logind documentation and dont know where to start.

The previous line quoted above, was about not needing to have a user
being member of the "audio" group.  Thought I would check, and strange!
my account is the only one NOT in the audio group.

Ive added my user in and will report back if that fixes it.  (my user
was the default admin one created on ubuntu install).

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  No audio when logging in as second user.  Only dummy audio device seen

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